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To: Logophile
You are being evasive.

I am being evasive? You are the one denying shunning by mormons when it is practiced daily against anyone who leaves the mormon church and building your straw man to avoid admitting that you lied when you said that mormons do NOT shun.

How many "apostates" have you personally avoided when meeting them in public, looked the other way, discussed their offense with other mormons?

I detest homosexual behavior. I also detest holier-than-thou behavior by a group that believes that polygamy is a requirement to salvation.

"After Joseph Smith married some thirty-eight women, he introduced this "celestial" marriage form to his innermost circle of followers. By early 1846, nearly 200 men had adopted the polygamous lifestyle, with an average of nearly four women per man—717 wives in all, with more wives to come after leaving Nauvoo."

Present-day "celestial" marriage allows for the "sealing" of multiple wives to a mormon man after death. Eternal polygamy.

50 posted on 10/14/2009 7:42:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Rahm, Obama and his Thugocracy are the legacy of Clinton's revenge for impeachment.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Logophile

You are the one denying shunning by mormons when it is practiced daily against anyone who leaves the Lord’s church.

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This is pretty interesting some exer’s spend daily bashing the LDS and then turn around accusing the LDS of shunning!

LOL

Oh dear

I don’t know about you but could it be who wants to be around those who are always unpleasant!


51 posted on 10/14/2009 7:57:23 AM PDT by restornu (A humble people of the Lord is stronger than the all wicked warriors of the World)
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To: greyfoxx39
I am being evasive?

Yes, you are being evasive. You posted a link to a story about a homosexual activist group that is critical of the LDS Church, then refused to say whether you agree with their criticisms. If you did not want to discuss the content of the article, why link to it?

You are the one denying shunning by mormons when it is practiced daily against anyone who leaves the mormon church . . . .

In a religious context, shunning has a definite meaning. According to ReligiousTolerance.org, shunning is

. . . a method of disciplining or punishing a member who strays from the group's expected behavior or belief. Other members --often including friends and family -- are expected to have no contact with the shunned individual. In a high intensity faith group where a believer's entire support network is composed of fellow members, this can have disastrous consequences; some have been moved to commit suicide. Various forms of shunning are practiced by Amish, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other conservative religious groups as a means of forcing conformity of belief and behavior. Glossary of religious and spiritual terms, ReligiousTolerance.org

Hence, shunning is more than merely the avoidance of persons whom one finds annoying, unpleasant, or disagreeable.

Discipline in the LDS church can take the form of informal probation, formal probation, disfellowshipment, or (in the most serious cases) excommunication. Most Church discipline is conducted in private; rarely are disciplinary cases discussed publicly by Church leaders.

LDS Church discipline does not involve shunning. Even excommunicated persons are invited to participate in our public meetings (so long as they are not disruptive.) We always hope that the excommunicated person will repent and rejoin the Church.

Interestingly, the article you posted regarding the homosexual group Affirmation does not support the idea that the Church practices shunning. Quite the contrary:

"Above all, keep your lines of communication open," Elder Jeffrey R. Holland, of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, urged in a 2007 Ensign article. "Open communication between parents and children is a clear expression of love, and pure love, generously expressed, can transform family ties."

Apparently, Affirmation believes that the Church should do more "to reach out to Mormon families -- and their clergy -- and provide clearer direction on how to respond when a daughter, husband, wife or brother comes out as gay." That is a far cry from accusing the Church of shunning homosexuals.

. . . and building your straw man to avoid admitting that you lied when you said that mormons do NOT shun.

It is bad form to accuse people of lying simply because they disagree with you.

55 posted on 10/14/2009 12:40:03 PM PDT by Logophile
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