Posted on 10/23/2009 8:51:50 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Evidently CW you did not address this question to me. But I'll answer it anyway.
What is it with this "made up" stuff to which you are referring?
Question: Do you think/believe that human knowledge of the truth of reality must rest on a fabrication of the human mind alone, that there is no ultimate universal truth on which it must finally rest — and be judged? That is, some non-human, and yet seemingly human-friendly, source of truth beyond the speculations of the human mind, on which the truth of such speculations must finally rest and be judged?
Don't ask me, GGG. Ask Jesus.
He came for all men.
He could only be a brother if we were born of the same mother, or reborn of the same Spirit. Don’t get me wrong, I would welcome him into the Christian family in a heartbeat if he confessed his sins, and confressed Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. But that’s not what I get from Cold Water at all. As far as I can tell, he spends all his time trying to trip Christians up, and otherwise sew seeds of dissention. If you know something I don’t about CW, I’m all ears.
What about it, CW? Have you repented of your sins and accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior since the last time we crossed swords?
I didn't make it up and even linked to the YECHEADQUARTERS which supported my position.
You can call it a lie but you offered nothing to prove it a lie.
What is it that you are claiming I didn't get from you?
Here is something from one of your YEC sites you frequently post from showing the desire of the YEC’ers to eliminate the OEC’s!
“In fact, if the young-earth creationists increase in numbers, then they will soon make up more than half of the average college science class. At some point, the frequency of young-earthers will be large enough to threaten the control that the old-earth creationist professor is trying to maintain in the classroom. This could generate something of a crisis in the classroom. On the other hand, if young-earth students and their parents asked the right questions and demanded young-age creation teaching from Christian colleges, what looks like a crisis could be transformed into a revolution in the teaching of Christian college science.”
You can buy this DVD at your YEC site.
“The church’s compromise on biblical authority began before Charles Darwin. This eye-opening talk by historian Terry Mortenson shows that biblical geologists defended biblical history (and exposed the fallacies in an old earth), but the church refused to listen.”
From one of your YEC sites:
This is the crux of the issue. When Christians have agreed with the world that they can accept man’s fallible dating methods to interpret God’s Word, they have agreed with the world that the Bible can’t be trusted. They have essentially sent out the message that man, by himself, independent of revelation, can determine truth and impose this on God’s Word. Once this ‘door’ has been opened regarding Genesis, ultimately it can happen with the rest of the Bible.
You see, if Christian leaders have told the next generation that one can accept the world’s teachings in geology, biology, astronomy, etc., and use these to (re)interpret God’s Word, then the door has been opened for this to happen in every area, including morality.
Yes, one can be a conservative Christian and preach authoritatively from God’s Word from Genesis 12 onwards. But once you have told people to accept man’s dating methods, and thus should not take the first chapters of Genesis as they are written, you have effectively undermined the Bible’s authority! This attitude is destroying the church in America.
So, the issue is not ‘young Earth’ versus ‘old Earth,’ but this: Can fallible, sinful man be in authority over the Word of God?
Been there, done that. Bro?
Apparently, 12,000 year old earth is the limit for fellowship.
Editor’s note: AiG stands firmly on the authority of Scripture. From our study of the Bible, we are persuaded that Creation occurred in six normal-length days about 6000 years ago, and that God destroyed the earth with a global Flood about 1600 years later. Many Christians who profess to believe that the Bible is God’s Word do not accept the straightforward interpretation of Genesis and accept millions of years (and sometimes evolution also). They often admit that their interpretation of Scripture is controlled by the findings of “science,” which, in reality, are the naturalistic, uniformitarian interpretations of scientific data.
Some young-earth creationists are persuaded by Bible-based arguments that there are gaps in the genealogies of Genesis 5 and 11. They therefore believe the creation is up to 10,000–12,000 years old. While AiG does not agree with this view, we do not break fellowship with such creationists but stand shoulder to shoulder with them in opposing the evolutionary idea of millions of years.
Apparently I am not the only one.
http://domesticadventure.blogspot.com/2009/01/evolution-creation-wheres-truth.html
I really like Ross’ books, but I wanted to give Young-Earth Creationism an equal shot. I read one of Henry Morris’s books and wasn’t terribly impressed or convinced. I then took a look at Answers In Genesis and was rather appalled. Ken Ham essentially said that a person who does not believe in Young-Earth Creationism can’t be a Christian since they don’t believe the Bible. Not only was I distressed by comments like this, but I found the attitude of most of the AiG material to have an unacceptably negative attitude toward scientists. I took classes, including labs, taught by the same PhDs who were being portrayed as either duped or deceptive by the AiG writers and speakers.
Well jeepers, GGG, if I might say so, it's a really good thing you are not God.
The intelligent design hypothesis is not theology. It has no holy writ, no sacraments, no creed.
Like the theory of evolution, it is not a theory of origins.
Nor does it seek to replace evolution theory, it only says that "certain features" of the universe and life are best explained by intelligent cause.
It doesn't seek to identify what the intelligent cause "is" - e.g. God, space aliens, collective consciousness.
The statement is obvious on the face. After all, certain creatures are known to choose their mates, thus affecting inherited traits in their offspring, i.e. "certain features."
Oh. And all the other features are best explained as natural causes?
That from the guy that dedicates special threads in my honor? Bro?
Yep, it's been pretty strange!!!
Thank you for setting the record straight, dearest sister in Christ!
Yes.
Very strange indeed. I was under the impression that Cold Water is a non-Christian. But you keep calling him “brother.” Am I mistaken in my belief? Or has Cold Water made a conversion to accepting Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior that I don’t know about?
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