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1 posted on 10/25/2009 10:42:55 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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Ping!


2 posted on 10/25/2009 10:44:30 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

every crevo post adds another 10 days to a freepathon.


3 posted on 10/25/2009 10:44:49 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

How did reproduction evolve? By extinction after extinction until some microbes got it right? Not likely.


5 posted on 10/25/2009 10:47:51 AM PDT by onedoug
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--ALSO--

If you or anyone you know in the LA area (Southern California), you might want to check out the following:

Los Angeles Premiere of Intelligent Design Film Moves to USC on Oct. 25th at 7pm

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/10/los_angeles_premiere_of_intell.html

6 posted on 10/25/2009 10:54:55 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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Dakins is pissed as a Kid God did not give him Ice-cream when he asked for it but the Heathen Child Molester on the corner did!


7 posted on 10/25/2009 11:01:32 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Stephen C. Meyer disingenuously asserts “intelligent design is not creationism.” Of course it is. He’s asserting that God’s intelligence created life. What intelligence does Dr. Mayer think created life? Laptop computers?


8 posted on 10/25/2009 12:26:57 PM PDT by december12
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To: GodGunsGuts; Agamemnon
Agamemnon linked to this earlier and I found this paragraph particularly on point:

“Darwinian Dissonance?
Paul A. Dernavich
Simply put, the language used by many of today's prominent Darwin defenders, at least as it appears in the popular press, is inherently self-defeating, as if they had a collective case of cognitive dissonance. They routinely describe non-human processes as if they were actual people. No sooner do they finish arguing that the universe could not possibly have an Intelligent Designer, that they proceed to comment on how the universe is so seemingly intelligently designed. No sooner do they discredit evidence for a grand, cosmic plan, that they reveal their anticipation towards what the next phase of it will be. Let me give you examples.”

The entire piece (not too long) is a good read.

I chose this part because I think it illustrates that all of us believe and recognize many things are intelligently designed, our computers, our blender, our this or that.
But the question I've asked and not received a real answer to is, How do we decide when we look at a even a simple object whether an intelligent agent designed it or not?

9 posted on 10/25/2009 12:40:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Evolution, The Hopeful Monster Theory: Put all the parts of a Swiss watch into a dryer and tumble on low until they assemble themselves into a ticking watch.


12 posted on 10/25/2009 1:40:23 PM PDT by RoadTest ( But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do)
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ID is certainly a theory worth evaluating. In my view,
Darwin’s theory is backed by pure speculation: There isn’t
enough data to place it in realm of scientific fact.


13 posted on 10/25/2009 2:22:31 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Watched a Richard Dawkins YouTube with my son the other day. How does this guy persuade anyone?


14 posted on 10/25/2009 2:47:59 PM PDT by rae4palin
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To: GodGunsGuts
to be a materialist, naturalist, secular humanist one has to believe that

1)nothing produces everything
2)non-life produces life
3)randomness produces anthropic fine tuning
4)chaos produces information
5)non-consciousness produces consciousness
6)non-reason produces reason
7)atoms, ions, and molecules produces free will

16 posted on 10/25/2009 3:47:28 PM PDT by mjp (pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, independence, limited government, capitalism})
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Intelligent design and Global Warming <= two peas in a pod.


17 posted on 10/25/2009 6:56:39 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Never mind that intelligent design is not creationism.

Well, it is and it isn't.

Likewise it is and it isn't evolution also.

In fact, it is and it isn't just about everything.

As is often said of uselessly vacuous scientific claims, "it isn't even wrong."

On absolutely every point that might lead to a testable implication (or prohibition) Intelligent Design is relentlessly (even, one might say, designedly) noncommittal. IDers refuse to posit any claim about when design events occur[ed], where they occur[ed], or how they occur[ed].

ID consists entirely of "inferring" the putative existence of "design". However it has so far come up with only two bases for this inference: the existence of specified complexity, and/or the existence of irreducible complexity.

However the mathematical model of specified complexity has never been rigorously applied to even one real world case, and SC is so poorly and problematically defined, that it most probably never can be so applied.

The case for irreducible complexity is no better. Irreducibly complex systems do exist, but the basis for inferring ID therefrom depends on the claim that it is IMPOSSIBLE for IC systems to be formed by gradual, stepwise change, or indeed by any naturalistic process. This claim is at best unproven, and at worst demonstrably false.

Thus, at least so far, Intelligent Design is worse than merely wrong. It is vacuously beneath the level of being wrong. It is completely and utterly useless.

19 posted on 10/25/2009 10:27:10 PM PDT by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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