. . . . Hate to ping to the same thread again, but don't want Ping Pist newcomers to miss the information at #69 and #70.
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Posted on 10/27/2009 5:50:53 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf
You can always tell when an illiterate psuedo-elitist is pretending to be educated.
“I bet the birth certificate reveals embarrassing information of some sort.”
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Absolutely. There is some information on that document that both he and the DNC do not want made public.
Not likely ANY of the Founders would have agreed to that.
Most interestingly, it's something they didn't say (to wit: "be born on American soil") ~ so to get that sort of reading you'd need to bring in penumbras and their emanations first and we all know where that leads.
You guys who want to make Indonesia's "Sharia Inspired Law" the rule in these cases are D I S G U S T I N G. Don't even think of such a thing.
Marriage is the critical component in our law.
Marriage is the critical component in our law.
Barry's father, a Muslim, was already married. That was legal in Kenya, where the Brits agreed to allow Muslims to follow sharia law in return for an agreement to rule the place from the Sultan of Zanzibar, who had previously claimed the coastal province.
So we have a conundrum. If they were married in Hawaii, then the marriage was invalid. If they were married as Muslims in Kenya, then it was valid. I believe under Islamic law and custom Stanley Ann would have had to agree to become a Muslim, and of course Barry would be considered Muslim from birth.
Possibly they were married twice, in America and Kenya. Stanley claimed surprise at finding out that her husband was already married, but who knows?
Or, possibly, they were never married at all. We don't have any marriage certificate. And as some have pointed out, Stanley might have gotten the divorce decree even if unmarried, to clarify her custody of Barry.
Barack Obama Sr. was reportedly a polygamist who had at least four wives, including Ruth Nidesand, who Obama Sr. met at Harvard and became his wife after she followed him back to Kenya.
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In addition to questions about Dunham's marital status, WND previously uncovered documents strongly suggesting Barack Obama Sr. and Dunham did not live at the address listed in birth announcements in two local papers – 6085 Kalanianaole Highway in Honolulu.
But WND has confirmed the house at that address was owned and occupied in 1961 by another longtime resident Hawaiian couple.
Moreover, throughout the time he was in Hawaii, Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment at 625 11th Ave., within walking distance of the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where he was enrolled for studies in the fall term 1959.
Raising further questions, WND also reported Dunham was registered for college classes in Seattle only 15 days after reportedly delivering her first-born child in Honolulu, according to school records.
The official story claims Dunham and Obama, Sr. were married Feb. 2, 1961. The pair separated two years later and they divorced in 1964. Obama's father returned to Kenya and saw his son only once more before dying in an automobile accident in 1982.
In actuality, it isn't clear Obama's parents were married, since official records have never been produced showing a legal ceremony took place.
No wedding certificate or photograph of a ceremony for Dunham and Obama Sr. has ever been found or published.
In his book "Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage," former Time magazine contributing editor Christopher Andersen elaborates: "There were certainly no witnesses (to the alleged civil marriage ceremony) – no family members were present, and none of their friends at the university had the slightest inkling that they were even engaged."
Andersen further quoted Rep. Neil Abercrombie, Democrat-Hawaii, a self-described friend (never verified) of Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham in 1961, as saying that "nobody" was invited to the wedding ceremony
Obama himself, on page 22 of his autobiography "Dreams from My Father," wrote of his parents' wedding:
"In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore. There's no record of a real wedding, a cake, a ring, a giving away of the bride. No families were in attendance; it's not even clear that people back in Kansas were fully informed. Just a small civil ceremony, a justice of the peace. The whole thing seems so fragile in retrospect, so haphazard."
Obama's birth story is further complicated by the fact that when Barack Obama Sr. arrived in Hawaii at 23 years old in September 1959, he already had been married, since age 18, to a Kenyan woman named Kezia Aoko, who was allegedly pregnant with Obama Sr.'s first child when he abandoned (not divorced) her in Africa in 1957.
Obama Sr. ultimately had four children with Aoko. (Not just one, but four (4) children with Aoko, the abandoned (?) wife.)
WND staff writer Jerome Corsi concluded there is no evidence to suggest Obama Sr. was divorced from Aoko either in Kenya before he left for Hawaii or in Hawaii prior to the alleged marriage with Dunham.
. . . . Hate to ping to the same thread again, but don't want Ping Pist newcomers to miss the information at #69 and #70.
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Not if he was born on foreign soil. Under the laws at the time of his birth, his 17 year old mother could not confer citizenship upon him if born on foreign soil. There was a residency requirement on U.S. soil that she failed to meet. If married to a foreign national, the problem is further compounded.
Good *refresh the memory* information in #69 & #70.
(Did you really mean to type “Ping Pist”?)
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Ivy League...the best degree money can buy. Please don't confuse that with a good education.
You nailed it,
Obama has spent much money trying to cover up something that is evident to even the most casual observer. He just doesn't want that information to separate him from the gravy train of goodies from the taxpayers.
“Please don’t confuse that with a good education.”
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Well, I will admit that until recently I thought that Harvard and good education were synonymous. What happened and just how long has this been going on?
When Harvard grads make errors that absolutely would not have been tolerated in the public schools of South Carolina at the sixth grade level in 1955 I find it somewhat disturbing to say the least. Should I apply for a few doctorates of which I have been unfairly deprived? I have seen enough examples of Michelle’s writings to know that she is NOT smarter than a fifth grader (at least not smarter than one from my era). Is the rest of the world doubled over in laughter? I cannot imagine that they fail to see through this fiasco.
obama sr was born in 1936, he left school in 1953 when he was seventeen. His teacher said that he left for the US to further his education as soon as he finished school.
Kezia says they a son who was six years of age and she was pregnant again when obama sr left Kenya. She also says they married in 1957.
There are number of 'missing years' in that story.
Just keeping the ID of the babydaddy UNKNOWN solves that problem.
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