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Boeing, Machinists and denial (Opinion)
Seattle Times ^ | October 28, 2009 | Danny Westneat

Posted on 10/28/2009 11:12:18 AM PDT by jazusamo

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To: jazusamo

Unions “organize” themselves out of another important job.


61 posted on 10/28/2009 4:03:57 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Gator113

Wow, good for you, SAR.

I always admired you guys. Thank goodness I never needed your services, and I’ve been in some way-out places in the bush!

I always though Sequim would be a nice place to retire...and I agree, the peninsula is one of the greatest places in America to live, hike and recreate!

See ya’,

Ed


62 posted on 10/28/2009 4:04:38 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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“They loved expensive “procedures”, “

Well, Boeing in general is just that, “Six Sigma Black Belts”, “ethics”, “centers of excellence”, “PMP”, etc. Boeing has more wasteful spending on garbage management techniques than they spend on solid engineering principles.


63 posted on 10/28/2009 4:10:32 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Gator113

How long of wait for the ferry dose that include? Many years ago before tourist I lived in Port Townsend.


64 posted on 10/28/2009 4:19:30 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (I don't have time to Procrastinate)
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I’ve waited for as much as an hour, thats one reason that I often drive around.

Even with all of the hippies, I still like going to PT.... I’m nuts about anything to do with boats. ;>)


65 posted on 10/28/2009 4:24:27 PM PDT by Gator113 (Obamba, Reid, Pelosi, the socialist triad.)
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To: Frenchtown Dan

My Camry? Built in the USA. The parts content is probably as great as a GM car. I have a friend who worked at a supplier (tier 2) of brake materials. GM dictated that their big customer use friction material...from China, and passed it for quality even though half of it wouldn’t bond to the plates or would crumble. “Foreign” plants here in the US treat their suppliers with respect, and pay their bills on time. Not so much for GM Ford and Chrysler.


66 posted on 10/29/2009 6:24:19 AM PDT by steve8714 (There's a straight line from John Wilkes Booth through Paul Robeson to Sean Penn.)
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To: Frenchtown Dan

So, yes, it’s a statement. What “crap” comes specifically from overseas?


67 posted on 10/29/2009 6:25:13 AM PDT by steve8714 (There's a straight line from John Wilkes Booth through Paul Robeson to Sean Penn.)
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Sad.

I’ve always done my own maintenance on my vehicles, tune-ups, breaks, exhaust, etc.

Maybe that’s why I’ve had better luck.


68 posted on 10/29/2009 6:57:18 AM PDT by Frenchtown Dan
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Don’t misunderstand, they made OEM and original equipment parts.


69 posted on 10/29/2009 9:32:46 AM PDT by steve8714 (There's a straight line from John Wilkes Booth through Paul Robeson to Sean Penn.)
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Well, Boeing in general is just that, “Six Sigma Black Belts”, “ethics”, “centers of excellence”, “PMP”, etc. Boeing has more wasteful spending on garbage management techniques than they spend on solid engineering principles.

That's a shame. When I left in '83 that hadn't hit. And there were plenty of old timers who taught me the ropes.

I still have my copy of the TDM - Tool Design Manual. There's an excellent section on design "checking" that would save gazillions of dollars if employed nationally. Most people go for the flashy "design review", which is basically show-and-tell. Or worse, they depend solely on their modeling software !

My first boss was a guy brought back out of retirement, with 45 years off tool design experience.

When I first got there, I was sent to an 8 week, 8 hour a day tool design course, taught by two "designers", meaning non-engineers. They taught me more than any PhD ever did !

Sounds like it's all gone down the toilet. When we built the 767 static test airplane, the wings failed at 115% of design load.

Maybe the 787 should dump the hoopla and go back to the old ways, as their wings crapped out at 85%, I hear ! Attention to detail and inspection of quality beats "Six Sigma" every time in small lot sizes.

70 posted on 10/29/2009 1:17:22 PM PDT by jimt
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Boeing is all about keeping each other’s friends employed. Safety issues, critical design issues, industry standards, etc. are not known by most managers. What they do know are the metrics by which they get bonuses, like how many tests they complete even if the tests do nothing, or how many change requests are completed even if they cannot quantify the work to be done because they are not qualified to even attempt to do the work, etc.


71 posted on 10/29/2009 1:24:07 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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