Skip to comments.Boeing chooses South Carolina for second 787 plant
Posted on 10/28/2009 2:55:38 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
Dow Jones)--Boeing Co. on Wednesday announced it would build a second final assembly line for its troubled 787 Dreamliner jet in South Carolina, a move that spurns the powerful aircraft machinists' union that had been negotiating with Boeing to locate the work at the current factory near Seattle.
Boeing has been laying the groundwork for a new factory in South Carolina for months and could begin construction at a facility it owns in North Charleston, S.C., as early as Nov. 2. The factory is expected to be operational by July 2011.
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Hopefully, DeMint had the common decency to rub this in Maria Cantwell’s and Patty Osama-Mama-Murray’s faces, while singing neaner-neaner-neaner.
Not build where labor will bully you into higher wages and lower productivity? What are these guys thinking?
OHHHH YEAH!!! We’ll be moving to South Carolina over this (hopefully)
It's the first time since 2006 that Boeing will assemble a commercial airplane outside of the Puget Sound area and provides the company with an assembly line beyond the reach of the labor union that has caused production headaches off and on for decades in Seattle.
I love it when liberals get exactly what they deserve and I love it when capitalism works to reward fiscal incentives based on business friendly and capitalism friendly policies.
You forgot the sarcasm tag.
The business friendly environment that once allowed the once small businesses to grow into world dominant corporations out of Seattle is long, long gone and those corporations know it. Boeing has just been around long enough to respond to it. Boeing anticipated and warned of this way back in the early 1990s. Washington state didn't listen.
This will be the crowning achievement in Gregoire’s career. “I put the union, who owned me like a plantation slave, ahead of the rest of the state, and I lost the only major global manufacturer left in the United States.”
Hey unions you can thank your own. While you're sittin' on the couch with your bag of Cheetos and a beer watching American Idol reruns on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday just make sure to send another donation check to your union and liberal friends for the time off and off and off.
I know this sounds double and possibly triply redundant, but I had to say it anyway. LOL.
The Machinists union screwed the pooch again
Every 4-years like clock work they shut down production due to an IAM strike. When Boeing was looking for location to build the 787 other than Washington, IAM said if you want to build it right and on time build it in Washington, and that they could be trusted on getting the job done. That promise didn’t last long when IAM went out on strike again late last year putting the brakes once again on building airplanes, and causing a major slide in the delivery of the 787, and all the Boeing models, which cost Boeing a fortune.
I would hate to see any part of Boeing move out of the State. My livelihood depends on them sticking around - but can you blame them?
Boeing's CEO says that"Establishing a second 787 assembly line in Charleston will expand our production capability, diversify our manufacturing base and ultimately drive down the cost of the 787 -- sustaining our competitiveness."
HMMMM. Now that sounds like a successful business. To be successful they needed to leave Seattle. HELLO SEATTLE AND WA. Wake the hell up! Oh. Too late. Can't wait to see a machinist make a nice macchiato for me when I visit.
And a fitting farewell to Sanford, who (aside from the obvious tabloid-headline scandal crap), did more to improve his own State than Spitzer, Peterson, Corzine the Barbarian, the Jerkinator, Malibu Jenny, Blanco, Fraudoire, Bill Richardson, and most of the others in recent memory.
Its been 2 generations since my family left the south, so I need a refresher course in southern living, so I don't embarrass myself.
What are Hush Puppies, and what meal do you eat them with?
What do you put on Grits?
Fantastic news! Lessee, the SC negotiators were expressing gratitude for the jobs, and the WA unionists were promising to not strike or demand pay raises higher than 10 pct for 12 months.
Hush puppies are kinda like cornbread rolled into balls and deep fried. As far as grits...butter or honey or molasses.
Hush puppies are a fried cornmeal batter usually served with fish (the fishy flavor in the grease adds to it) and was named hush puppy as frying a little bit of fish batter to keep the dog quiet and not begging. Don’t know how accurate the name is, but that’s what a hushpuppy is.
What to put on grits depends on where you live. In Alabama, sugar is pretty popular on grits. Where I’m from though, it’s cheese and eggs with crumbled up bacon or just plain butter and salt.
And we take transplants down here. Come on down!
On the grits, cheddar cheese, lots of it, and they are the best.
A real win for SC and the low country. Boeing will be joined by or followed by a massive number of feeder companies.
Come on down, autumnraine! I think you’ll love it in SC. I’m originally from Virginia but moved here when we got married in 1978. I love this state and its people.
I’d be coming up, and to the right, haha. I’m in Georgia. But I would love to move to South Carolina! It’s a beautiful state that we visit often. And I’d be willing to move anywhere for a decent job for my husband, but be happier to remain with my culture.
The difference between the North and the South - at last, clearly
The North has Bloomingdale’s , the South has Dollar General .
The North has coffee houses, the South has Waffle Houses ..
The North has dating services, the South has family reunions.
The North has switchblade knives; the South has .45’s
The North has double last names; the South has double first names.
The North has Indy car races; The South has stock car races .
North has Cream of Wheat , the South has grits.
The North has green salads, the South has collard greens .
The North has lobsters, the South has crawfish .
The North has the rust belt; the South has the Bible Belt ..
FOR NORTHERNERS MOVING SOUTH . .. ....
In the South : —If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men
in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a tow chain will be along shortly.
Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live
Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store... Do
not buy food at this store.
Remember, ‘Y’all’ is singular, ‘all y’all’ is plural, and ‘all y’all’s’ is
Get used to hearing ‘You ain’t from round here, are ya?’
Save all manner of bacon grease. You will be instructed later on how to
Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying. They can’t
understand you either.. The first Southern statement to creep into a
transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective ‘big’ol,’ truck or
‘big’ol’ boy. Most Northerners begin their Southern-influenced dialect
this way. All of them are in denial about it.
The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper .
Be advised that ‘He needed killin..’ is a valid defense here.
If you hear a Southerner exclaim, ‘Hey, y’all watch this,’ you should stay
out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say.
If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest
accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery
store.. It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have
to go there.
Do not be surprised to find that 10-year olds own their own shotguns, they
are proficient marksmen, and their mammas taught them how to aim.
In the South, we have found that the best way to grow a lush green lawn is
to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway.
AND REMEMBER: If you do settle in the South and bear children, don’t think
we will accept them as Southerners.. After all, if the cat had kittens in
the oven, we ain’t gonna call ‘em biscuits.
“I think that the Seattle Boeing plant should go on strike and Governor Gregriore (sp) should eliminate all of Boeing’s tax breaks in WA. This will show Boeing, again, that acting badly will only hurt themselves in the long run.”
Are you being sarcastic?
WA state was in a negotiation with very little power. The one card they did have that they didn’t play, they had on the union - converting WA to a right to work state.
Gregoire left the economic future of the state in the hands of a team of union goons. Boeing was simply asking, “No more strikes and we’ll stay.”
The union could have said, “OK.” Since they didn’t have any leverage at the table, that should have been their opening and closing move.
They didn’t. They actually asked for WAGE INCREASES. They asked to maintain SIGNING BONUSES. They wanted to handcuff Boeing to the state - no plants anywhere else.
They all still think this was about a second line. It wasn’t. It was about the continuation of the end, which started with Boeing moving to Chicago.
The question isn’t whether Gregoire and the Union will do now. The answer is simple - nothing. They didn’t when Boeing left Seattle, and they are blaming Boeing as they leave Everett.
The IAM things outsourcing the 787 is about them. It never was. The 787 was financed by the suppliers this time. The suppliers were chosen not because of their cost effectiveness or their capability. They were chosen because of what AIRPLANE MARKETS those suppliers were in.
Since customers are going to demand jobs in exchange for airplane orders, why not design that right into the process from inception? How else do you explain putting Italians in your supply chain?
Message to Boeing Employees: You pay your union to provide you with a service, and you pay them exorbitantly, since they are a monopoly, and you are obligated by law to join or pay a representation fee which amounts to the same thing. Even if you believe that you were disserved by your vendor, you don’t have the ability to fire the vendor.
You have another three years to change that situation fundamentally before this contract is up. At this point, do you really believe that they are up to the task of protecting your livelihood?
Yes, I did forget the sarcasm tag. Actually I thought that the sarcasm obvious. But, damn, did it get some quick and telling response. This exodus began under Locke and continues today under Gregroire and Obama. Vilify and penalize business. I am reminded of when Alcoa closed their plant in Spokane. An employee was weeping about how he had worked there of 18 years, been on strike twice, and now what was he going to do at 45 years of age. I truly do feel sorry for the employees of Boeing and others that are beset by unions. They did not vote for the union; it was there long before they got there but they now have to live with it. They can't change union, they can't get rid of it. So they keep voting democratic thinking that it will somehow, someway, keep them safe. The union do not care for them, it just wants their money! The democratic party does not care for them, it just want their vote. Insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.
This move will do Boeing some great good. Hopefully it will also loosen up some of the crony activities and relationships as well. Boeing is a company that is racing to the bottom as anyone in the company trying to do better is Uncle Tom’d. The entire company would rather get along than get moving and build a product. How people feel and personal relationships are more important than productivity and getting the job done. The 787 has slipped not because the engineering is difficult but because of inept managers who would rather slip a schedule and protect their relationships than discipline those not doing their jobs.
Hush Puppies are eaten with fish and seafood. Can also be refrigerated and zapped in a microwave and dipped in a mixture of ketchup and horseradish.
Also used as a silencer for yapping dogs, thus the name.
What do you put on Grits?
Butter. Not oleo. Not margarine. Not "I can't Believe It's Not Butter."
However, the very best thing to put on grits is Red-eye gravy which is made from country fried ham.
Welcome to the world of unions and other government employees. and these are the ones that are going to save us from insurance companies, car manufacturers, banks, and terrorist. God help us and pray that November 2010 comes real soon without too much damage being done from these imbeciles.
If you are moving to the Low Country, when in a restaurant, check to see if they have shrimp and grits on the menu. If so, you have found heaven. Come back for supper and have their jamabalaya.
Edward Stimpson, aviation advocate, dies at 75
November 26, 2009
By JOHN MILLER
Associated Press Writer
BOISE, Idaho (AP) - Edward Stimpson, an aviation advocate who pushed to rejuvenate struggling small aircraft manufacturers in the 1990s by limiting lawsuits against them, has died after a five-month illness. He was 75.
He died Wednesday from complications related to lung cancer, though he wasn’t a smoker, said his sister, Catharine Stimpson.
Stimpson, president of the General Aviation Manufacturers Association for 25 years, was a major proponent of legislation signed by President Bill Clinton in 1994 to prevent general aviation companies from being named as defendants in lawsuits in crashes of small planes 18 years old or older.
By 1994, a wave of lawsuits was blamed for a downturn at small aircraft manufacturers such as Beech Aircraft Co. and Cessna Aircraft Corp., costing 100,000 industry jobs. Annual sales of single-engine planes averaged 13,000 from 1965 to 1982, but dropped to just 500 by 1993.
Catharine Stimpson remembered how Cessna used her brother’s initials to signify the first 100 piston-powered planes the company built after resuming production.
“Whatever he did to preserve the industry was more than a job to him,” she said in a phone interview from her home in New York. “He just loved the idea of being up there in the clouds.”
Stimpson, who held a private pilot’s license, also advocated against record attempts like 7-year-old Jessica Dubroff’s 1996 bid to become the youngest person to fly across the country. Dubroff, her father and her flight instructor died when their plane crashed in Cheyenne, Wyo., prompting Stimpson to call for measures to “stop the circus-like, media-driven events.”
He retired from the General Aviation Manufacturers Association in 1996 to become chairman of “Be A Pilot,” an industrywide education and research program aimed at increasing the number of people learning to fly.
Stimpson was born in Bellingham, Wash., the oldest of seven children. He graduated from Harvard College and received a graduate degree from the University of Washington in Seattle. He and his wife, Dorothy, met as employees at the Seattle World’s Fair in 1962.
He settled in Idaho after being hired as a lobbyist for Boise-based engineering firm Morrison Knudsen Corp. in 1989. His wife became one of the state’s representatives to the Democratic National Committee until 2000. They had no children.
In 1998, Stimpson received the Wright Brothers Memorial Trophy for public service in aviation, an honor he shared with aviator Charles A. Lindbergh, World War II pilot Lt. Gen. James H. Doolittle and Apollo 11 astronaut Neil A. Armstrong.
And in 1999, then-President Clinton appointed Stimpson to the Council of the International Civil Aviation Organization, a Montreal-based group that promotes safe aviation around the world. The post carries the rank of ambassador; Stimpson served through 2004.
Catharine Stimpson remembered one flight she took with her brother in Washington state where his concern for safety caught her attention.
“He saw the pilot doing something he did not approve of,” she said. “Believe me, that pilot will not forget what he heard.”
For two decades, Stimpson was a board member at the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Florida, where a residence hall and laboratory have been named after him.
In April 2008, Stimpson was named to a Federal Aviation Administration panel to recommend improvements to airline safety measures after concerns arose that the FAA allowed Southwest Airlines to fly dozens of Boeing 737s without inspecting them for fuselage cracks as required and that Southwest’s system for complying with FAA safety directives hadn’t been inspected since 1999.
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