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Boeing chooses South Carolina for second 787 plant
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-biz-boeing-oct28,0,6016705.story ^ | October 28, 2009

Posted on 10/28/2009 2:55:38 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Dow Jones)--Boeing Co. on Wednesday announced it would build a second final assembly line for its troubled 787 Dreamliner jet in South Carolina, a move that spurns the powerful aircraft machinists' union that had been negotiating with Boeing to locate the work at the current factory near Seattle.

Boeing has been laying the groundwork for a new factory in South Carolina for months and could begin construction at a facility it owns in North Charleston, S.C., as early as Nov. 2. The factory is expected to be operational by July 2011.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: South Carolina; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 787; aerospace; aviation; b787; boeing; boeing787; dreamliner; manufacturing; sourcetitlenoturl; unions

1 posted on 10/28/2009 2:55:39 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Hopefully, DeMint had the common decency to rub this in Maria Cantwell’s and Patty Osama-Mama-Murray’s faces, while singing neaner-neaner-neaner.


2 posted on 10/28/2009 2:59:34 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Not build where labor will bully you into higher wages and lower productivity? What are these guys thinking?


3 posted on 10/28/2009 2:59:58 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

love it.


4 posted on 10/28/2009 3:00:19 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

OHHHH YEAH!!! We’ll be moving to South Carolina over this (hopefully)


5 posted on 10/28/2009 3:03:11 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
I think that the Seattle Boeing plant should go on strike and Governor Gregriore (sp) should eliminate all of Boeing's tax breaks in WA. This will show Boeing, again, that acting badly will only hurt themselves in the long run.
6 posted on 10/28/2009 3:07:30 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
On Wednesday, the South Carolina legislature moved to offer Boeing a variety of tax incentives to lure the company to build a massive new factory on the site of an existing facility it owns in North Charleston.

It's the first time since 2006 that Boeing will assemble a commercial airplane outside of the Puget Sound area and provides the company with an assembly line beyond the reach of the labor union that has caused production headaches off and on for decades in Seattle.

I love it when liberals get exactly what they deserve and I love it when capitalism works to reward fiscal incentives based on business friendly and capitalism friendly policies.

7 posted on 10/28/2009 3:08:49 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: dirtymac

You forgot the sarcasm tag.


8 posted on 10/28/2009 3:10:33 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: dirtymac
I think that the Seattle Boeing plant should go on strike and Governor Gregriore (sp) should eliminate all of Boeing's tax breaks in WA. This will show Boeing, again, that acting badly will only hurt themselves in the long run.

I think Queen Fraudoire and her little liberal minions should just pass a law that makes it illegal for businesses to leave the state!!! That'll fix 'em.....LOL!!!!

What a bunch of losers the libs in Washington State are.
9 posted on 10/28/2009 3:11:33 PM PDT by copaliscrossing (Progressives are Socialists)
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To: dirtymac
What do you mean Boeings corporate offices are already in Chicago. This is just another step in taking it all out of state. Believe you me the quicker they more on the better for Boeing and the worse for Seattle. Bring it on. You can thank liberal business unfriendly Oly. and Seattle liberals for the last days of Boeing. MS will be next my FRiend.

The business friendly environment that once allowed the once small businesses to grow into world dominant corporations out of Seattle is long, long gone and those corporations know it. Boeing has just been around long enough to respond to it. Boeing anticipated and warned of this way back in the early 1990s. Washington state didn't listen.

10 posted on 10/28/2009 3:13:02 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

This will be the crowning achievement in Gregoire’s career. “I put the union, who owned me like a plantation slave, ahead of the rest of the state, and I lost the only major global manufacturer left in the United States.”


11 posted on 10/28/2009 3:13:29 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs
Exactly!

Hey unions you can thank your own. While you're sittin' on the couch with your bag of Cheetos and a beer watching American Idol reruns on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday just make sure to send another donation check to your union and liberal friends for the time off and off and off.

12 posted on 10/28/2009 3:19:38 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Lots of stuff at today's Flightblogger
13 posted on 10/28/2009 3:19:49 PM PDT by skeptoid (who erased my tagline??)
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To: upchuck; SC Swamp Fox

Hey Y’all.


14 posted on 10/28/2009 3:22:17 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: GOP Poet
capitalism works to reward fiscal incentives based on business friendly and capitalism friendly policies

I know this sounds double and possibly triply redundant, but I had to say it anyway. LOL.

15 posted on 10/28/2009 3:23:16 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

The Machinists union screwed the pooch again

Every 4-years like clock work they shut down production due to an IAM strike. When Boeing was looking for location to build the 787 other than Washington, IAM said if you want to build it right and on time build it in Washington, and that they could be trusted on getting the job done. That promise didn’t last long when IAM went out on strike again late last year putting the brakes once again on building airplanes, and causing a major slide in the delivery of the 787, and all the Boeing models, which cost Boeing a fortune.

I would hate to see any part of Boeing move out of the State. My livelihood depends on them sticking around - but can you blame them?


16 posted on 10/28/2009 3:27:34 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: skeptoid
as taken from the Flightblogger link you so graciously provided:

Boeing's CEO says that"Establishing a second 787 assembly line in Charleston will expand our production capability, diversify our manufacturing base and ultimately drive down the cost of the 787 -- sustaining our competitiveness."

HMMMM. Now that sounds like a successful business. To be successful they needed to leave Seattle. HELLO SEATTLE AND WA. Wake the hell up! Oh. Too late. Can't wait to see a machinist make a nice macchiato for me when I visit.

17 posted on 10/28/2009 3:29:00 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
This will be the crowning achievement in Gregoire’s career.

And a fitting farewell to Sanford, who (aside from the obvious tabloid-headline scandal crap), did more to improve his own State than Spitzer, Peterson, Corzine the Barbarian, the Jerkinator, Malibu Jenny, Blanco, Fraudoire, Bill Richardson, and most of the others in recent memory.

18 posted on 10/28/2009 3:30:56 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: autumnraine
“OHHHH YEAH!!! We’ll be moving to South Carolina over this (hopefully)”

Its been 2 generations since my family left the south, so I need a refresher course in southern living, so I don't embarrass myself.

What are Hush Puppies, and what meal do you eat them with?

What do you put on Grits?

19 posted on 10/28/2009 3:42:23 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

and the Unions, take another one in the.......................HA ha!!!

20 posted on 10/28/2009 3:48:08 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Fantastic news! Lessee, the SC negotiators were expressing gratitude for the jobs, and the WA unionists were promising to not strike or demand pay raises higher than 10 pct for 12 months.

Tough choice.

(Sarcasm off)


21 posted on 10/28/2009 4:00:47 PM PDT by tom h
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To: NavyCanDo

Hush puppies are kinda like cornbread rolled into balls and deep fried. As far as grits...butter or honey or molasses.


22 posted on 10/28/2009 4:04:00 PM PDT by freebird5850 (O-Bomba is not the Messiah. Jesus was a carpenter and could build a cabinet!)
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To: NavyCanDo

Hush puppies are a fried cornmeal batter usually served with fish (the fishy flavor in the grease adds to it) and was named hush puppy as frying a little bit of fish batter to keep the dog quiet and not begging. Don’t know how accurate the name is, but that’s what a hushpuppy is.

What to put on grits depends on where you live. In Alabama, sugar is pretty popular on grits. Where I’m from though, it’s cheese and eggs with crumbled up bacon or just plain butter and salt.

And we take transplants down here. Come on down!


23 posted on 10/28/2009 4:08:45 PM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Ha


24 posted on 10/28/2009 4:08:52 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (There was a hole here. It's gone now.)
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To: autumnraine
Thanks, and if you're ever in the Northwest I'll teach you how to cook up a geoduck.
25 posted on 10/28/2009 5:52:23 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: snippy_about_it; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
South Carolina
Ping

Send FReepmail to join or leave this list.

26 posted on 10/28/2009 7:55:48 PM PDT by upchuck (New sign on my pickup: Are you a "Hope and Change" regretter?)
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To: upchuck

Thanks


27 posted on 10/28/2009 9:18:18 PM PDT by dixie sass
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To: NavyCanDo

On the grits, cheddar cheese, lots of it, and they are the best.


28 posted on 10/29/2009 2:21:37 AM PDT by doosee
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To: upchuck

A real win for SC and the low country. Boeing will be joined by or followed by a massive number of feeder companies.


29 posted on 10/29/2009 2:25:54 AM PDT by doosee
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To: autumnraine

Come on down, autumnraine! I think you’ll love it in SC. I’m originally from Virginia but moved here when we got married in 1978. I love this state and its people.


30 posted on 10/29/2009 4:19:53 AM PDT by Grandma Pam
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To: Grandma Pam

I’d be coming up, and to the right, haha. I’m in Georgia. But I would love to move to South Carolina! It’s a beautiful state that we visit often. And I’d be willing to move anywhere for a decent job for my husband, but be happier to remain with my culture.


31 posted on 10/29/2009 4:58:25 AM PDT by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: NavyCanDo

The difference between the North and the South - at last, clearly
explained....
The North has Bloomingdale’s , the South has Dollar General .

The North has coffee houses, the South has Waffle Houses ..

The North has dating services, the South has family reunions.

The North has switchblade knives; the South has .45’s

The North has double last names; the South has double first names.

The North has Indy car races; The South has stock car races .

North has Cream of Wheat , the South has grits.

The North has green salads, the South has collard greens .

The North has lobsters, the South has crawfish .

The North has the rust belt; the South has the Bible Belt ..

FOR NORTHERNERS MOVING SOUTH . .. ....

In the South : —If you run your car into a ditch, don’t panic. Four men
in a four-wheel drive pickup truck with a tow chain will be along shortly.
Don’t try to help them, just stay out of their way. This is what they live
for.

Don’t be surprised to find movie rentals and bait in the same store... Do
not buy food at this store.

Remember, ‘Y’all’ is singular, ‘all y’all’ is plural, and ‘all y’all’s’ is
plural possessive

Get used to hearing ‘You ain’t from round here, are ya?’

Save all manner of bacon grease. You will be instructed later on how to
use it.

Don’t be worried at not understanding what people are saying. They can’t
understand you either.. The first Southern statement to creep into a
transplanted Northerner’s vocabulary is the adjective ‘big’ol,’ truck or
‘big’ol’ boy. Most Northerners begin their Southern-influenced dialect
this way. All of them are in denial about it.

The proper pronunciation you learned in school is no longer proper .

Be advised that ‘He needed killin..’ is a valid defense here.

If you hear a Southerner exclaim, ‘Hey, y’all watch this,’ you should stay
out of the way. These are likely to be the last words he’ll ever say.

If there is the prediction of the slightest chance of even the smallest
accumulation of snow, your presence is required at the local grocery
store.. It doesn’t matter whether you need anything or not. You just have
to go there.

Do not be surprised to find that 10-year olds own their own shotguns, they
are proficient marksmen, and their mammas taught them how to aim.

In the South, we have found that the best way to grow a lush green lawn is
to pour gravel on it and call it a driveway.

AND REMEMBER: If you do settle in the South and bear children, don’t think
we will accept them as Southerners.. After all, if the cat had kittens in
the oven, we ain’t gonna call ‘em biscuits.


32 posted on 10/29/2009 5:33:26 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: dirtymac

“I think that the Seattle Boeing plant should go on strike and Governor Gregriore (sp) should eliminate all of Boeing’s tax breaks in WA. This will show Boeing, again, that acting badly will only hurt themselves in the long run.”

Are you being sarcastic?

WA state was in a negotiation with very little power. The one card they did have that they didn’t play, they had on the union - converting WA to a right to work state.

Gregoire left the economic future of the state in the hands of a team of union goons. Boeing was simply asking, “No more strikes and we’ll stay.”

The union could have said, “OK.” Since they didn’t have any leverage at the table, that should have been their opening and closing move.

They didn’t. They actually asked for WAGE INCREASES. They asked to maintain SIGNING BONUSES. They wanted to handcuff Boeing to the state - no plants anywhere else.

They all still think this was about a second line. It wasn’t. It was about the continuation of the end, which started with Boeing moving to Chicago.

The question isn’t whether Gregoire and the Union will do now. The answer is simple - nothing. They didn’t when Boeing left Seattle, and they are blaming Boeing as they leave Everett.

The IAM things outsourcing the 787 is about them. It never was. The 787 was financed by the suppliers this time. The suppliers were chosen not because of their cost effectiveness or their capability. They were chosen because of what AIRPLANE MARKETS those suppliers were in.

Since customers are going to demand jobs in exchange for airplane orders, why not design that right into the process from inception? How else do you explain putting Italians in your supply chain?

Message to Boeing Employees: You pay your union to provide you with a service, and you pay them exorbitantly, since they are a monopoly, and you are obligated by law to join or pay a representation fee which amounts to the same thing. Even if you believe that you were disserved by your vendor, you don’t have the ability to fire the vendor.

You have another three years to change that situation fundamentally before this contract is up. At this point, do you really believe that they are up to the task of protecting your livelihood?


33 posted on 10/29/2009 9:56:40 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: CodeToad
“You forgot the sarcasm tag.”

Yes, I did forget the sarcasm tag. Actually I thought that the sarcasm obvious. But, damn, did it get some quick and telling response. This exodus began under Locke and continues today under Gregroire and Obama. Vilify and penalize business. I am reminded of when Alcoa closed their plant in Spokane. An employee was weeping about how he had worked there of 18 years, been on strike twice, and now what was he going to do at 45 years of age. I truly do feel sorry for the employees of Boeing and others that are beset by unions. They did not vote for the union; it was there long before they got there but they now have to live with it. They can't change union, they can't get rid of it. So they keep voting democratic thinking that it will somehow, someway, keep them safe. The union do not care for them, it just wants their money! The democratic party does not care for them, it just want their vote. Insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.

34 posted on 10/29/2009 10:16:11 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: dirtymac

This move will do Boeing some great good. Hopefully it will also loosen up some of the crony activities and relationships as well. Boeing is a company that is racing to the bottom as anyone in the company trying to do better is Uncle Tom’d. The entire company would rather get along than get moving and build a product. How people feel and personal relationships are more important than productivity and getting the job done. The 787 has slipped not because the engineering is difficult but because of inept managers who would rather slip a schedule and protect their relationships than discipline those not doing their jobs.


35 posted on 10/29/2009 10:37:09 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: NavyCanDo
What are Hush Puppies, and what meal do you eat them with?

Hush Puppies are eaten with fish and seafood. Can also be refrigerated and zapped in a microwave and dipped in a mixture of ketchup and horseradish.

Also used as a silencer for yapping dogs, thus the name.

What do you put on Grits?

Butter. Not oleo. Not margarine. Not "I can't Believe It's Not Butter."

Pure Butter.

However, the very best thing to put on grits is Red-eye gravy which is made from country fried ham.

Ya'll click here for red eye gravy information.

36 posted on 10/29/2009 11:18:34 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: CodeToad
“because of inept managers who would rather slip a schedule and protect their relationships than discipline those not doing their jobs.”

Welcome to the world of unions and other government employees. and these are the ones that are going to save us from insurance companies, car manufacturers, banks, and terrorist. God help us and pray that November 2010 comes real soon without too much damage being done from these imbeciles.

37 posted on 10/29/2009 11:23:18 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: NavyCanDo
Further info:

If you are moving to the Low Country, when in a restaurant, check to see if they have shrimp and grits on the menu. If so, you have found heaven. Come back for supper and have their jamabalaya.

38 posted on 10/29/2009 11:26:49 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Edward Stimpson, aviation advocate, dies at 75
November 26, 2009

By JOHN MILLER
Associated Press Writer

BOISE, Idaho (AP) - Edward Stimpson, an aviation advocate who pushed to rejuvenate struggling small aircraft manufacturers in the 1990s by limiting lawsuits against them, has died after a five-month illness. He was 75.

He died Wednesday from complications related to lung cancer, though he wasn’t a smoker, said his sister, Catharine Stimpson.

Stimpson, president of the General Aviation Manufacturers Association for 25 years, was a major proponent of legislation signed by President Bill Clinton in 1994 to prevent general aviation companies from being named as defendants in lawsuits in crashes of small planes 18 years old or older.

By 1994, a wave of lawsuits was blamed for a downturn at small aircraft manufacturers such as Beech Aircraft Co. and Cessna Aircraft Corp., costing 100,000 industry jobs. Annual sales of single-engine planes averaged 13,000 from 1965 to 1982, but dropped to just 500 by 1993.

Catharine Stimpson remembered how Cessna used her brother’s initials to signify the first 100 piston-powered planes the company built after resuming production.

“Whatever he did to preserve the industry was more than a job to him,” she said in a phone interview from her home in New York. “He just loved the idea of being up there in the clouds.”

Stimpson, who held a private pilot’s license, also advocated against record attempts like 7-year-old Jessica Dubroff’s 1996 bid to become the youngest person to fly across the country. Dubroff, her father and her flight instructor died when their plane crashed in Cheyenne, Wyo., prompting Stimpson to call for measures to “stop the circus-like, media-driven events.”

He retired from the General Aviation Manufacturers Association in 1996 to become chairman of “Be A Pilot,” an industrywide education and research program aimed at increasing the number of people learning to fly.

Stimpson was born in Bellingham, Wash., the oldest of seven children. He graduated from Harvard College and received a graduate degree from the University of Washington in Seattle. He and his wife, Dorothy, met as employees at the Seattle World’s Fair in 1962.

He settled in Idaho after being hired as a lobbyist for Boise-based engineering firm Morrison Knudsen Corp. in 1989. His wife became one of the state’s representatives to the Democratic National Committee until 2000. They had no children.

In 1998, Stimpson received the Wright Brothers Memorial Trophy for public service in aviation, an honor he shared with aviator Charles A. Lindbergh, World War II pilot Lt. Gen. James H. Doolittle and Apollo 11 astronaut Neil A. Armstrong.

And in 1999, then-President Clinton appointed Stimpson to the Council of the International Civil Aviation Organization, a Montreal-based group that promotes safe aviation around the world. The post carries the rank of ambassador; Stimpson served through 2004.

Catharine Stimpson remembered one flight she took with her brother in Washington state where his concern for safety caught her attention.

“He saw the pilot doing something he did not approve of,” she said. “Believe me, that pilot will not forget what he heard.”

For two decades, Stimpson was a board member at the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Florida, where a residence hall and laboratory have been named after him.

In April 2008, Stimpson was named to a Federal Aviation Administration panel to recommend improvements to airline safety measures after concerns arose that the FAA allowed Southwest Airlines to fly dozens of Boeing 737s without inspecting them for fuselage cracks as required and that Southwest’s system for complying with FAA safety directives hadn’t been inspected since 1999.


39 posted on 11/27/2009 9:14:07 AM PST by KeyLargo
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