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The eTrace Fraud Exposed(BATF)
JPFO ^ | 26 October, 2009 | na

Posted on 10/29/2009 4:55:33 AM PDT by marktwain

Thank you for this informative email (JPFO alert 10/26/09).

Now I have a question to ask you.

Are you aware that the BATFE has for several years been aggressively offering eTrace to local law enforcement agencies? They have the agency sign a memorandum of agreement and then the agency can run traces on any firearm they wish. The catch is that the agency has to agree to run a trace on ALL CRIME GUNS. The MOU defines a CRIME GUN as:

"The parties agree that a 'crime gun' is defined as "any firearm that is illegally possessed, used in a crime, taken into police custody, or suspected by law enforcement officials of having been used in a crime."

The key word in this definition is "taken into police custody." I have been a law enforcement officer for over thirty years and held positions up to the rank of Detective Commander. Only a very small portion of firearms that are taken into custody could possibly be considered a "crime gun." TV and movies aside, we run into very few "smoking gun" cases where we have a firearm left at the scene a crime, and it is a rare instance that knowing who was the first lawful purchaser of a firearm would serve any investigatory purpose. We take hundreds of firearms into custody as found property, safe-keeping, recovered-stolen or in possession of individuals who have been arrested. In all those cases, including arrests, it is of very little consequence who bought the gun from Acme Sporting Goods ten years ago.

If you expand the term "taken into police custody" to include any firearm that an LEO has temporary custody, such on a traffic stop of an otherwise lawful firearms owner, you could literally be running traces on hundreds of guns for no legitimate purpose. For larger department it could run into the thousands.

I first heard of this program in a meeting with the local U.S. Attorney and BATFE. I asked them if we could have the software and only trace firearms when we needed to know their origin. I was told that they wanted a trace done on ALL firearms and that if we only wanted to do a few, we could do it the "old" way by making a request to the local field office. In other words, we want all the gun traced that we can. When I told them that was a waste of valuable police resources, they changed the subject.

As far as I am concerned, eTrace is a fraud perpetrated by the BATFE to swindle Congress and the public out of funding for a program which serves very little legitimate purposes.

I recall watching a congressional budget hearing on CSPAN a few years ago where the director of the BATFE was telling the audience that they were receiving an increasing number of requests for firearms tracing from law enforcement agencies and needed more funding to accommodate them. Funny that they never mentioned that they were begging for the traces to be run. You can also see on their webpage how they brag how successful the etrace program is.

An "unintended consequence" of having law enforcement trace all the guns they come in contact with is that a good number of these firearms end up traced back to local FFLs. As you know, when an FFL has a certain number of "CRIME GUNS" traced back to them, they can be put on some sort of probation and are subject to increased record keeping and sharing requirements. This is grossly unfair to the dealers as the majority of firearms traced have been purchased legally and have not been used to commit a crime.

I thought you would find this information interesting. Please feel free to contact me for verification or further information.

Commander (Retired)


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; batf; constitution; politics
The BATF needs to be disbanded.
1 posted on 10/29/2009 4:55:34 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Ongoing criminal enterprise. Title 18 criminals.
2 posted on 10/29/2009 5:03:27 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: marktwain

I agree, right after we disband that fraudulent “Foreign Nations Association,” aka U.N., neither one is good or healthy for America’s freedoms.


3 posted on 10/29/2009 5:06:35 AM PDT by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: marktwain; Nachum

Yep.


4 posted on 10/29/2009 5:07:23 AM PDT by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: marktwain

BATFE, and most other federal bureaucracies, for that mater.


5 posted on 10/29/2009 5:22:08 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: marktwain

Just as in the case of WACO, this is an agency dedicated to ginning up work. After all, when you are an agency of the Federal Government, it would be unseemly not to have work, and the more people in your employ, the more work you need.

It matters not that the work is important or even relevant, but work we must. The ends justify the means. How many no knock raids done by the BATF have resulted in the death of persons in the building being raided?

This is an agency on the prowl looking for work, they need to have the part of their organization only recently added to the title, “Explosives” move to the FBI and the whole crooked organization shut down and defunded.


6 posted on 10/29/2009 5:29:52 AM PDT by wita
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To: marktwain
(B)urn
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(B)ad
(A)ttitude
(T)owards
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I LOVE HENRY BOWMAN!

7 posted on 10/29/2009 5:33:56 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (The first Civil War freed slaves from individuals. CW2 will free slaves from the government.)
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(B)urn
(A)ll
(T)oddlers
(F)irst

(B)ad
(A)ttitude
(T)owards
(F)reedom

I LOVE HENRY BOWMAN!

8 posted on 10/29/2009 5:33:57 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (The first Civil War freed slaves from individuals. CW2 will free slaves from the government.)
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One Freeper had or has as their tag line something like this.

‘The BATFE should be separate aisles at local stores.”

9 posted on 10/29/2009 5:35:48 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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As far as I am concerned, eTrace is a fraud perpetrated by the BATFE to swindle Congress and the public out of funding for a program which serves very little legitimate purposes.

The same could be said of the BATFE itself.

10 posted on 10/29/2009 7:41:44 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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