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Was massacre suspect a jihadist?
Toronto Sun ^ | 2009-11-07 | Peter Worthington

Posted on 11/07/2009 5:03:27 AM PST by Clive

One thing not being mentioned openly about the Fort Hood massacre of 13 American soldiers and the wounding of 30 others, is whether this was a version of suicide bombing.

That is, was the suspect, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, something of a Jihadist "sleeper" intent on replicating a suicide bomber to maximize his opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

We don't know ... yet ... but it's a spectre so alarming one hardly dares contemplate its possibility.

All that is acknowledged about Maj. Hasan (he was promoted last spring) is that he's a Muslim whose parents are Palestinian immigrants and that he got his medical degree and psychiatric training through the army. Also, he was "quiet and reserved" (as all loony killers seem to be) and dreaded being assigned to go to Iraq.

Well, he needn't worry about that any more -- he ain't going anywhere.

Also stressed, as if it had anything to do with his actions, is he felt harassed and mocked because of his religion -- something that is difficult to swallow, considering he was an army officer, and army officers are not usually picked on by bullies.

Hasan may well be a mental case who simply broke -- but why he felt required to kill fellow soldiers if he wasn't ideologically, politically or religiously motivated remains a puzzle.

Also puzzling is how he managed to shoot so many people with two handguns, one of which was a machine pistol. The soldiers he shot were unarmed in a building doing administrative tasks, while in an adjoining auditorium 140 troops were gathering for college graduation ceremonies.

A police woman apparently returned Hasan's fire, wounded him, and was herself wounded. Brave woman. Hasan was initially reported killed.

Fort Hood has had its share of incidents over the years, and is the world's largest military base -- temporary home for 45,000 soldiers, including many returned wounded from Iraq and Afghanistan, some of whom were Hasan's patients for post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

One who knows Fort Hood well is Canadian Gen. Walter Natynczyk, Chief of Defence Staff, who, in 2004, was Deputy Commanding General of III Corps at Fort Hood, and served in that capacity in Iraq when the Canadian government was refusing to join the American war there.

The "coincidence," (if that's what it is) of an American officer going berserk at Fort Hood who just happens to be a devout Muslim, is disquieting, to say the least.

'ALLAHU AKBAR!'

Soldiers reported the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" -- an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" -- before opening fire.

It brings to mind the incident in June at a Little Rock, Arkansas, recruiting centre where a convert to Islam who had changed his name to Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, shot and killed one American soldier and wounded another.

And remember the infamous British shoe bomber Richard Reid was a convert to Islam, as was American John Walker who joined al-Qaida and was captured in Afghanistan. At least Hasan wasn't a convert. But is he a deep-cover terrorist? Dunno.

Everyone hopes Nidal Hasan is not a jihadist but a mental case -- as he seems to be, judging from the shock and dismay expressed by his family. The FBI is treating the shootings as a crime and not terrorism.

One hopes they are correct, and not taking the easy way out as they did when they labelled the 1993 World Trade Centre bombing as a "crime" and not as "terrorism."


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1 posted on 11/07/2009 5:03:27 AM PST by Clive
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2 posted on 11/07/2009 5:03:55 AM PST by Clive
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3 posted on 11/07/2009 5:06:26 AM PST by Cindy
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The more I learn about this incident the more it sounds like a case of SBC — suicide by cop.


4 posted on 11/07/2009 5:08:11 AM PST by Mobties
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To: Clive

5 posted on 11/07/2009 5:11:46 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: Mobties
Clearly, this was a islamist terrorist attack. Spinning any other reason is pure political correctness and avoiding reality.

WAKE-UP, America!

6 posted on 11/07/2009 5:13:07 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Clive

” The FBI is treating the shootings as a crime and not terrorism “

Since 9/11, I have argued against the unspoken stipulation by Government and Media that, if it doesn’t carry the ‘union label’ (Al Qaeda mostly, and to a lesser extent Hizbollah and Hamas), it’s not ‘terrorism’....

To misquote - Terrorism is as terrorism does....


7 posted on 11/07/2009 5:15:21 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Clive
IMO, Yes Hasan is an islamic terrorist and this was an act of terror. He had been trained and planning an attack just like this for a long time. It would not surprise me either if it is learned that he had received "orders" from a higher-up in the terrorist organization and they "triggered" this event. Who are his higher ups?

And another thing to point out: after 9/11 we had no terrorist attacks on US soil during President Bush's service.

Caligula has made us weak.

8 posted on 11/07/2009 5:15:21 AM PST by Jemian (Withold treatment of Hasan. Give him "Granny's Blue Pill". The Death Panel has spoken.)
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To: Mobties
"The more I learn about this incident the more it sounds like a case of SBC — suicide by cop."

Bullcrap. It's a clear case of ISLAMIC terrorism. It's the largest ISLAMIC terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11.

9 posted on 11/07/2009 5:17:35 AM PST by Godebert
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To: Clive

This was an act of terrorism committed by a Muslim in the name of Islam. Period!


10 posted on 11/07/2009 5:19:01 AM PST by Castigar
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To: Jemian

As the apartment complex owner reported on CNN last night...
“ He rarely had visitors but the night before the shootings he did have a visitor who was dressed in Arab garb”


11 posted on 11/07/2009 5:22:48 AM PST by RonnG
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One more thing (actually several but they're all related):
12 posted on 11/07/2009 5:22:53 AM PST by Jemian (Withold treatment of Hasan. Give him "Granny's Blue Pill". The Death Panel has spoken.)
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>>>>>”The more I learn about this incident the more it sounds like a case of SBC — suicide by cop.”

Bullcrap. It’s a clear case of ISLAMIC terrorism. It’s the largest ISLAMIC terror attack on U.S. soil since 9/11. <<<<

How are these mutually exclusive??


13 posted on 11/07/2009 5:26:16 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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ding, ding, ding, ding!

I'm heading off to bed. It is 2230 and I plan to get up at 0430.

14 posted on 11/07/2009 5:26:57 AM PST by Jemian (Withold treatment of Hasan. Give him "Granny's Blue Pill". The Death Panel has spoken.)
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15 posted on 11/07/2009 5:28:39 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Uncle Ike
I think I may have stated my point a bit ambiguously. Let me try again.

It looks to me like the Major was a jihadist suicide terrorist and that his method of suicide was to shoot as many people as possible until he himself was (inevitably) killed by a policeman. It would be a nice touch if it could be arranged to have seventy two venereal disease ridden skanks in his hospital bed with him when he awakens from his coma.

SBC, or “Suicide by Cop” is a syndrome recognized by law enforcement as well as by scriptwriters for television crime shows.

16 posted on 11/07/2009 5:36:18 AM PST by Mobties
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To: Uncle Ike
"How are these mutually exclusive??"

Suicide by definition is taking ones own life. To call this heinous act of Murder and Islamic terrorism 'suicide' is dismissive of the crime.

17 posted on 11/07/2009 5:40:07 AM PST by Godebert
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To: Mobties

” I think I may have stated my point a bit ambiguously. “

I wasn’t arguing with your point - I seek to illuminate the ‘false dichotomy’ arguments (’chocolate in my peanut butter/peanut butter in my chocolate) that characterize many discussions of this attack - here and in the Media....


18 posted on 11/07/2009 5:42:20 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Godebert

” Suicide by definition is taking ones own life. “

‘Suicide mission’ is a term in long use, and does not imply that the person carrying it out actually puts a gun to his own head...


19 posted on 11/07/2009 5:44:18 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Clive
All that is acknowledged about Maj. Hasan (he was promoted last spring) is that he's a Muslim whose parents are Palestinian immigrants and that he got his medical degree and psychiatric training through the army. Also, he was "quiet and reserved" (as all loony killers seem to be) and dreaded being assigned to go to Iraq.

Bravo Sierra. We know a LOT more about him than that.

He openly opposed America's foreign policy, on multiple occassions. He was appaled at being called up to Aghanistan, believing it was wrong for Muslims to be killing Muslims (as if though that has ever stopped them in their own lands). He spoke of more Muslims needing to rise up against America after the Little Rock Arkansas recruiter killing. He posted on the internet likening Islamic suicide bombers to American GIs that jump on a grenade to save their friends.

This was a case of Jihad within the ranks plain and simple, like Sgt. Akbar's despicable actions in 2003.

Hopefully this Jihadist will get the same sentence as Akbar got and they both will be more quickly carried out.

Obama's response (or more appropriately named, non-response) has also been disgusting, IMHO.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING

20 posted on 11/07/2009 5:50:57 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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