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To: naturalman1975

When your grandmother is the one getting raped, and the punk clearly knew what he was doing, I have no doubt you’ll feel the same way.

As a matter of fact, felon are typically denied the right to vote, hold some jobs, and in some cases drink alcohol. From here one out, I say reduce their sentences when they commit more crimes. After all, they weren’t “ready” to be responsible for certain rights.

I think you are probably a decent person. I also think you think you are a wonderfully moral person. Unfortunately like a lot of liberals (in general terms), you have obviously not thought through completely the logic of what you are saying.


6 posted on 11/07/2009 6:47:30 PM PST by presidio9 (I once spent a year in Philadelphia, I think it was on a Sunday -WC Fields)
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To: presidio9
When your grandmother is the one getting raped, and the punk clearly knew what he was doing, I have no doubt you’ll feel the same way.

I've dealt with crime including serious crime involving members of my own family, and my views haven't changed. I don't base important beliefs solely on emotion but on principles as well. If you're interested - google Janine Balding.

As a matter of fact, felon are typically denied the right to vote, hold some jobs, and in some cases drink alcohol. From here one out, I say reduce their sentences when they commit more crimes. After all, they weren’t “ready” to be responsible for certain rights.

The situation isn't equivalent. They lost their 'adult' rights by their actions. Adolescents have never been granted them. Nor do I believe they should be.

I think you are probably a decent person. I also think you think you are a wonderfully moral person. Unfortunately like a lot of liberals (in general terms), you have obviously not thought through completely the logic of what you are saying.

Wonderfully moral? Not particularly. My level of morality is nothing I consider unusual and my position isn't based on a belief that I hold any type of moral high ground. It's based on the belief that we can't deny people rights on the grounds of irresponsibility, and then hold them to be fully responsible when it suits us.

I don't believe in being soft on crime either. I think courts typically treat adolescents far too leniently - but we go from one extreme to the other when we let them get away almost unpunished for minor crimes - and then drop the heavens on them when it becomes major.

11 posted on 11/07/2009 6:54:55 PM PST by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: presidio9
naturalman is not a liberal. He's just thinking (Something that a Free American is encouraged to do.)

Personally, I think that it should be on a case-by-case basis. A kid can change a lot (for better *or* worse) in the 5 years from 13 to 18.

12 posted on 11/07/2009 6:56:30 PM PST by Marie (remember, remember, the fifth of november...)
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