Posted on 11/08/2009 1:33:51 AM PST by Former Military Chick
The American Muslim community is in shock and in a state of disbelief combined with apprehension as it watches the details of the shootings at Fort Hood in Texas unfold. Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a doctor and a practising Muslim, born in Virginia of Jordanian parents, turned against his fellow citizens and military colleagues and gunned down 13 and wounded 30.
Fort Hood is America’s biggest military installation. It is like a sanctuary where Americans should feel safe. It is difficult to describe the fear and anxiety this ghastly event must be invoking among the families who live in Fort Hood.
What happened at Fort Hood follows a nightmare script that has been one of the biggest fears of the American Muslim community since the appalling events of September 11, 2001. One crazy Muslim, acting on his own, causing significant mayhem and murder and inviting anger and backlash against millions of peace-loving and hardworking Americans who are Muslims. National and local Muslim organisations immediately issued strong condemnation of the event and called for calm.
It is important to understand that Major Hasan is an isolated, alienated, and sad individual who was clearly not well adjusted to his life. In a community that values family life, he was single at 39 and still looking desperately for a wife, according to his former Imam. He was in an army that was at war with his co-religionists and he had difficulty dealing with that. He was frequently taunted and harassed for being a Muslim by his own colleagues. After years in the military and after years of caring for soldiers as a doctor, he did not feel as if he belonged and perhaps that was the key to why he could turn on his own.
This tragic episode presents serious dilemmas and challenges for both — Muslim community organisations as well as for law enforcement and counter terrorism agencies. Muslim organisations do not know how to explain this and the law enforcement agencies will be puzzling over how to respond to it.
This was an unpredictable and isolated episode that is impossible to anticipate and guard against. Hasan is American born, highly educated, long-term military man who simply snapped with devastating consequences. How do we anticipate this and prevent it? The Fort Hood shooting reminds me of the Columbine school shooting: shocking and totally unexpected. On scrutiny after the fact one discovers warning signs but not enough to trigger action before it happened.
Since the election of President Barack Obama, the Islamophobic rhetoric has been on the decline as people in key administrative positions have abstained from using “Islamic” as a prefix when talking about issues related to the war on terror. But this episode will once again provide fodder to talk show hosts and shrill media and web sites, which exploit such isolated events to ratchet up Islamophobia.
Muslims across the country have been working hard to build bridges with mainstream America, to establish interfaith relations and carve out a place for the community on main street America. Hasan not only fired at unarmed soldiers but he also attacked the very foundations of all these bridges across the country. His actions will definitely weaken if not completely undermine the efforts of thousands of Americans to build bridges of peace and understanding.
According to some estimates, there are over ten thousand Muslims in the US military who serve loyally, with sincere and complete commitment. Many Muslims in the US military have died fighting for the US. General Colin Powel once spoke so eloquently about Cpl. Kareem Khan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6SKpv-MwXE), a Purple Heart recipient, who had died fighting for America. Let us hope that Major Hasan’s dastardly actions do not hurt careers of the thousands of Kareem Khans proudly serving in the US military.
There is nothing that American Muslims can do to prevent such incidents. But we must not now allow them to weaken our resolve to combat extremism, prejudice and ignorance in our society. We must redouble our efforts to continue to share the message of peace, tolerance and pluralism that is fundamental to Islamic believes to our congregations and our communities.
The tragedy at Fort Hood is a major test for Muslims and Americans. They must face the challenge with determination. Muslims must not allow it to force them to recede from the public sphere and from their struggle for understanding, for civil rights and against religious profiling and Islamophobia. Americans must not allow this isolated incident to fall back on stereotypes about Islam and resuscitate the prejudices that all of us have worked so hard to eliminate and curb.
Dr Muqtedar Khan is Director of Islamic Studies at the University of Delaware and a Fellow of the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding in the United States
Here is my frustration, the Muslim community just does not seem to want to come out strong enough when it comes to the "War on Terror" or when fellow Muslims who are extremists kill in the name of their "God", which drives me nuts.
Friday, CAIR came out with a statement, a statement that was mooshy in their response to the tragic events at Ft Hood.
Finally, when folks came to DC for their prayerful event a few months ago, that was great but there was a huge opportunity to express to the nation their beliefs when it comes to radical Islam.
I am not holding my breath.
You are in more control than you believe you are.
Why are we trying to build up Iraq and Afghanistan when they will continue, in the final product, to call US Infidels?
I wonder what their opinion is of the WOMAN who took this guy down.
What a bunch of dog crap (كلب براز).
How about we start at square one again with this apologizing group which is splitting hairs and trying to paint Hasan as "one lone nut", and say, PRECISELY IT IS OUT OF WHAT IS TAUGHT IN THE QA'RAN, THAT HE FELT ENTITLED TO DO THIS AS AN ACT OF HOLY WAR AGAINST INFIDEL KAFIRS??!!
You cannot take a few hardine Islamists out to get drunk, but if you could, over copious beers, they would let down their guards and say "you know, AIT, you sure know TOO much about us. Yes, that is exactly what is written in the holy book and we ourselves have no suprise over such an act. We just condemn it for PR purposes, then add on some victimhood for good measure at the end of our "expression of shock".
“It is important to understand that Major Hasan is an isolated, alienated, and sad individual who was clearly not well adjusted to his life. In a community that values family life, he was single at 39 and still looking desperately for a wife, according to his former Imam. He was in an army that was at war with his co-religionists and he had difficulty dealing with that. He was frequently taunted and harassed for being a Muslim by his own colleagues. After years in the military and after years of caring for soldiers as a doctor, he did not feel as if he belonged and
perhaps that was the key to why he could turn on his own.”
And therein is the whole lie writ large. He did NOT turn on his own. He TURNED on US.
There is not one sentence in this entire article that condemns this man OR the act he perpetrated.
If there is shock and disbelief in the muslim community, it is at the lack of condemnation and/or outrage from anyone in authority. This is a huge victory for them, and they know it.
THE JACKSONVILLE OBSERVER: "HORRIFIC: FT. HOOD RAMPAGE STUNS TROOPS" (SNIPPET: "U.S. Rep. Michael McCaul, a Republican from Austin, was briefed by military officials and said Hasan had taken some unusual classes for someone studying about mental health. "He took a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist," McCaul said.") (November 6, 2009)
PAJAMAS MEDIA.com - blog: "THE VICTIMS OF FORT HOOD" by Bob Owens (SNIPPET from page 2: "But postings that are thought to be Major Hasan's don't match the portrait of a soldier who was conflicted. They present us with a picture of someone who housed beliefs that established him as a lurking enemy. U.S. Representative Michael McCaul attended a military briefing this morning and found out that Hasan had taken "a lot of extra classes in weapons training, which seems a little odd for a psychiatrist." In retrospect -- and combined with information that Hasan had started yesterday by giving away some of his personal effects, such as furniture -- it appears that his assault at Fort Hood wasn’t the result of a man under extreme pressure suddenly snapping. Instead, it looks like a calculating murderer took the time to prepare for his attack well in advance.") (November 5, 2009)
TELEGRAPH.co.uk: "FORT HOOD SHOOTING: TEXAS ARMY KILLER LINKED TO SEPTEMBER 11 TERRORISTS" by Philip Sherwell and Alex Spillius (SNIPPET: "Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.") (Published November 7, 2009, 8:17 pm)
THE JAWA REPORT - blog: "Malik Hasan Tied to 9/11 Hijackers, Radical al Qaeda Preacher" (SNIPPET: "Did Nidal Hasan know them? Maybe, maybe not. But the most disturbing part is that the imam of the mosque at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki (pictured right). Awlaki is an American who now lives in exile in Yemen where his website incites Muslims to jihad and who has nothing but praise for al Qaeda. Awlaki is hands down the most cited English language preacher in the underworld of online jihad. And what was Hasan's view of al-Awlaki? Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki’s teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday’s horrific shooting spree.") (Posted by Rusty on November 7, 2009, 8:20 pm)
THE STAR.com: "THE POWERFUL VOICE OF JIHAD Shadowy cleric revered by disenchanted Muslim youths throughout West cited in Toronto 18 case" by Michelle Shephard (SNIPPET: "But in recent months, as Awlaki's name has popped up in terrorism cases in Canada, the U.S. and Britain, intelligence services are closely monitoring the U.S.-born cleric.") (Published October 18, 2009)
CNN.com: "PEACEFUL PREACHING INSIDE, VIOLENT MESSAGE OUTSIDE A NEW YORK MOSQUE" by Drew Griffin and Kathleen Johnston (SNIPPET: "Outside a Manhattan mosque where the imam preaches against terrorism, the brothers of the "Revolution Muslim" are spreading a different message.") (Note: Video included.) (November 5, 2009, 3:24 pm EST)
C-SPAN VIDEO.org: George Washington University: "COMBATING TERRORISM" (Video Description: "George Washington University/Homeland Security Policy Institute Inter-University Center for Terrorism Studies - Israeli Ambassador Sallai Meridor talked about Israeli counter-terrorism efforts against homegrown, regional and international terrorist organizations. He also talked about recent conflict in Gaza in its impact on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, Israel's response to terror attacks in Mumbai, as well as other relevant regional security ...Read More) (Note: Includes video.) (January 6, 2009)
FOX NEWS.com: Killeen, Texas - "FELLOW WORSHIPERS DESCRIBE FORT HOOD SHOOTING SUSPECT AS DEVOUT MUSLIM, TROUBLED BY WARS" by Jana Winter (SNIPPET: "The Army psychiatrist suspected in Thursday's shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, attended morning prayers at a local mosque hours before the rampage that killed 13, the mosque's imam told FoxNews.com. Imam Syed Ahmed Ali said Major Nidal Malik Hasan usually worn his uniform or civilian clothes to prayers, but on Thursday, he attended in his full robe.") (November 6, 2009)
WorldNetDaily.com: "SHOOTER ADVISED OBAMA TRANSITION Fort Hood Triggerman Aided Tem on Homeland Security Task Force" by Jerome R. Corsi (SNIPPET: "Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday's massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document. The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled "Thinking Anew -- Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 - January 2009," in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant. Hasan received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University School in Bethesda, Md, in 2001.") (November 6, 2009)
testing time?.../ Wasting time
"This tragic episode presents serious dilemmas and challenges for both — Muslim community organisations as well as for law enforcement and counter terrorism agencies. Muslim organisations do not know how to explain this and the law enforcement agencies will be puzzling over how to respond to it."
Not to worry, The CIC wants to give a “shout out” to all the hard work you put into that.
Thanks for your posting, I will read all of it! :^)
"But we must not now allow them to weaken our resolve to combat extremism, prejudice and ignorance in our society." There the "But" Tis all about THEM.
It’s archival and incomplete to boot.
Take your time eyedigress.
Everything’s a mental health issue these days, and every action is harassment.
This is so troubling, I may need a government check.
A closer look at the Pew report, meantime, shows that of the 26 percent of young Muslims who expressed sympathy for suicide bombers, nearly half of them said it is justified only in rare circumstances.
Muqtedar Khan, an assistant professor of political science and international relations at the University of Delaware, said it's important to consider how the question was framed: whether suicide bombing could be justified "in defense of Islam," a powerful phrase for a community that believes the West is waging a war against Islam.
They believe that here, Muqtedar? Even after all of Bush's efforts to convince them of the contrary? Interesting.
Muqtedar Khan: "When you ask people these questions, people are not just answering, they're answering to suit their politics. They do not want to extend any legitimacy to the U.S. war on terror."
So support for suicide bombing comes from believing the war on terror is illegitimate? There is no other way to express this belief?
Khan also blames the Internet for fueling younger Muslims' empathy for radicalism, and a report to Congress last month backs up that concern. Prepared by a panel of experts, it found extremist Islamic groups are exploiting the Internet for communications, propaganda - even recruitment and training.
Ah. At last a sensible and accurate statement -- that is, that jihadists use the Internet. Blaming the Internet for this, rather than the jihadists and the young Muslims who seek out their websites, is just more silly diversion from the real problem.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/06/christian-children-ride-motorcycles-a-percentage-of-muslim-youth-say-suicide-bombings-are-justified.html
More likely the American muslim community is in a state of joy.
"There is nothing that American Muslims can do to prevent such incidents."
Ah, yes there is. Identify and report the to authorities instances of Muslims speaking out for Jihad and Shariah law. Both are unAmerican and contrary to the US Constitution. Adhering to the US Constitution is what makes one an American.
FMC, please refer to Allah as a ‘god’ and not God Thanks. Former military dude.
the Muslim community just does not seem to want to come out strong enough when it comes to the "War on Terror" or when fellow Muslims who are extremists kill in the name of their "God", which drives me nuts.
...is that you, like millions of our citizens, keep holding fast in your mind that Islam is like Christianity. Both have a "book", a prophet (if you will), places of worship, are helpful in the community, and members who are the 'nice people who live next door'.
Because the 'nice people who live next door' do not - in these situations - behave like Christians, you become frustrated and, as you say, driven "nuts" trying to understand what could possibly hold them back from condemnation.
Basically, when confronted with these events, you are experiencing 'culture shock': a situation so far out of your personal and cultural referents that it becomes incomprehensible and crazy making.
Whether, you are a practicing Christian or not, you were likely raised within a Christian culture. You believe in freedom - both personal and political, in personal accountability, in self determination, and in free will. You also believe that women have rights equal to a man's rights. Whether you believe in Christ as the Son of G_d or not, you understand the concept. These, then, are generally the things you believe in.
Contrast: Christ, a mostly harmless figure, used words and ideas to challenge men to think about their inner selves and their conduct toward others with Muhammad, a murderous warrior, who used the sword to dictate the message given to him by Allah. The message of Allah: Allah alone determines what happens, men play no part. To imagine that a mere man could defy the will of Allah by a personal choice (free will) is unthinkable. At no point did Allah permit a man to alter any word spoken to Muhammad. Allah's word is Absolute. Yahweh gave men Commandments which could be broken on pain of sin and punishment in the next life. Allah gave rules which broken, called for death in this life.
As a Muslims, a person must always defer to the will of Allah, who determines every event down to the subatomic level in every instant. This is not a concept which Christians or people raised in a Christian culture are familiar with or can even get their heads around. Yet there it is. It is not necessary for a Muslims to have a conscience, since Allah has already determined what will happen or not happen. And so it is easy for a Muslims to kill without regard. For another Muslims to speak against a Muslims who kills innocents is the same as speaking against Allah. Speaking against Allah is to incur the hatred of other Muslims and obligates them to kill the offender.
The 'Muslim community' will never "come out strong enough when it comes to the "War on Terror" or when fellow Muslims who are extremists kill in the name of their "God"". Or to put it another way, the 'Muslim community' CAN never come out against those events. Muslims, in their fervent beliefs, are bound by the words of Allah, and are apart from the rest of humanity. They are the antithesis of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Hindus.
If their dream of Daresalem (the Peace of Islam) descends over the world and all mankind is Muslim, then they must war between themselves until the last two remain; those two are then obligated by Allah to kill each other. Thus, the dream will be realized, and all mankind will be with Allah in Paradise.
So the 'Muslim community', fearing your understanding of their true intents, remains silent, knowing that you and millions of others will be baffled by their behavior; in your bafflement, they will creep closer to their goal.
Is the correct Latin grammar.
This cannot be repeated often enough. It is the one truth of islam. The ONLY one. There can never be peace on earth so long as ONE human being remains alive.
That is the truth.
That is their goal.
And nothing will stop them until they achieve it.
THIS is what makes homodinejad and every other muslim leader or cleric so crazy dangerous. This is what they believe and this is the ultimate driving force in islam. islam is anti-life. A deathcult the likes of which the world has no real awareness of because we cannot conceive of such a thing. It is too removed from OUR reality to wrap our minds around.
islam, wherever it is, is always fatal to everything that exists around it.
ISLAM MEANS CERTAIN DEATH BY WHATEVER MEANS POSSIBLE.
And the West better wise up.
Lead soundbite ? :
The American Muslim community is in shock and in a state of disbelief combined with apprehension as it watches the details of the shootings at Fort Hood in Texas unfold. Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a doctor and a practicing Muslim, born in Virginia of Jordanian parents, turned against his fellow citizens and military colleagues and gunned down 13 and wounded 30.
Fort Hood is America’s biggest military installation. It is like a sanctuary where Americans should feel safe. It is difficult to describe the fear and anxiety this ghastly event must be invoking among the families who live in Fort Hood.
Script ? :
What happened at ............. follows a nightmare script that has been one of the biggest fears of the American Muslim community since the appalling events of September 11, 2001. One crazy Muslim, acting on his own, causing significant mayhem and murder and inviting anger and backlash against millions of peace-loving and hardworking Americans who are Muslims. National and local Muslim organizations immediately issued strong condemnation of the event and called for calm.
Martyr Sound bite ? :
It is important to understand that Major Hasan is an isolated, alienated, and sad individual who was clearly not well adjusted to his life. In a community that values family life, he was single at 39 and still looking desperately for a wife, according to his former Imam. He was in an army that was at war with his co-religionists and he had difficulty dealing with that. He was frequently taunted and harassed for being a Muslim by his own colleagues. After years in the military and after years of caring for soldiers as a doctor, he did not feel as if he belonged and perhaps that was the key to why he could turn on his own.
Script ? :
This tragic episode presents serious dilemmas and challenges for both — Muslim community organisations as well as for law enforcement and counter terrorism agencies. Muslim organisations do not know how to explain this and the law enforcement agencies will be puzzling over how to respond to it.
Script ? :
This was an unpredictable and isolated episode that is impossible to anticipate and guard against.
Martyr Sound bite ? :
Hasan is American born, highly educated, long-term military man who simply snapped with devastating consequences. How do we anticipate this and prevent it? The Fort Hood shooting reminds me of the Columbine school shooting: shocking and totally unexpected. On scrutiny after the fact one discovers warning signs but not enough to trigger action before it happened.
Script ? :
Since the election of President Barack Obama, the Islamophobic rhetoric has been on the decline as people in key administrative positions have abstained from using “Islamic” as a prefix when talking about issues related to the war on terror. But this episode will once again provide fodder to talk show hosts and shrill media and web sites, which exploit such isolated events to ratchet up Islamophobia.
Script ? :
Muslims across the country have been working hard to build bridges with mainstream America, to establish interfaith relations and carve out a place for the community on main street America. Hasan not only fired at unarmed soldiers but he also attacked the very foundations of all these bridges across the country. His actions will definitely weaken if not completely undermine the efforts of thousands of Americans to build bridges of peace and understanding.
Script ? :
According to some estimates, there are over ten thousand Muslims in the US military who serve loyally, with sincere and complete commitment. Many Muslims in the US military have died fighting for the US. General Colin Powel once spoke so eloquently about Cpl. Kareem Khan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6SKpv-MwXE), a Purple Heart recipient, who had died fighting for America. Let us hope that Major Hasan’s dastardly actions do not hurt careers of the thousands of Kareem Khans proudly serving in the US military.
Script ? :
There is nothing that American Muslims can do to prevent such incidents. But we must not now allow them to weaken our resolve to combat extremism, prejudice and ignorance in our society. We must redouble our efforts to continue to share the message of peace, tolerance and pluralism that is fundamental to Islamic believes to our congregations and our communities.
Script ? :
The tragedy at ........ is a major test for Muslims and Americans. They must face the challenge with determination. Muslims must not allow it to force them to recede from the public sphere and from their struggle for understanding, for civil rights and against religious profiling and Islamophobia. Americans must not allow this isolated incident to fall back on stereotypes about Islam and resuscitate the prejudices that all of us have worked so hard to eliminate and curb.
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Dr Muqtedar Khan is Director of Islamic Studies at the University of Delaware and a Fellow of the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding in the United States
Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick....That ticking sound is the sound of the 2nd revolution doomsday clock rapidly approaching high noon.
Efing BS. He instigated the talk, he received the response he expected.
I try to explain to people exactly what you posted and they look at me like I am nuts. You put my thoughts in a clear concise explanation and if you don't mind, I plan to use it.
One of the most frustrating things is to hear the SRM promote the fact Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the three great religions that sprung from the same so-called well
Nothing could be further from the truth. Islam is a cult of submission and death.
Muslims in America don't consider themselves Americans; first, foremost or in any part. Being Muslim trumps being American every time. They're not part of us; they're separate and in conflict with America. Every Muslim living in this country is the enemy. Period.
I want them gone.
Total absolute bullsh*t.
Nope. That doesn't cut it. There is only one thing Muslims in America can do to prevent such incidents. Leave. Go back to their crapped-out hole of a country and live like the dogs they are. That's the only thing they can do to prevent further incidents. Period.
“Since the election of President Barack Obama, the Islamophobic rhetoric has been on the decline”
What utter B.S. If anything, our Islamic puppet president has made it worse, by doing nothing to help our troops, and apologizing for everthing he belives is wrong with this country.
This was not an isolated incident, either. Remember the group just arrested in N.Y.? The gang of gooks that plotted to destroy Ft. Dix? There are muslim groups all over the U.S. just waiting for an oportunity to kill as many of us as they can.
“Islamaphobia” is a cliche invented by muslims to try and chide us for fearing them.
I don’t fear cowards, and this animal hasan was a coward, he was afraid to go to Afghanistan.
“Muslims in America don’t consider themselves Americans; first, foremost or in any part. Being Muslim trumps being American every time. They’re not part of us; they’re separate and in conflict with America. Every Muslim living in this country is the enemy. Period. I want them gone.”
I hear you.
“Leave. Go back to their crapped-out hole of a country and live like the dogs they are.”
Do NOT lower dogs to the level of the muzz. Dogs are wonderful, loving and loyal creatures who want to get along with everybody. Dogs are everything the muzz are not.
“shock and in a state of disbelief”
If they don’t want to be in a state of shock and disbelief they should throw out their handbook that tells them to kill Jews and Christians, and stop telling members to kill Jews and Christians.
Be my guest!
I guess I don’t understand the confusion over the fort Hood shootings. Wasn’t this Muslim just following his bible and killing infidels. After all it isn’t a sin to do that any more then it is to lie to a infidel to obtain Muslim goals. So he was just doing what comes naturally to a Muslim.
Wikipedia has bad Latin amonst other bad references.
So, our friend ought to say Islam delenda est.
Cato’s influence thus preserved the Latin language. One last interesting piece of information is his epigram (p. 115, Lives of the Noble Romans, Plutarch): “Porcius, who snarls at all in every place, With his gray eyes, and with his fiery face, Even after death will scarce admitted be Into the infernal realms by Hecate.” Et memento—delenda est carthago And remember—Carthage must be destroyed. http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/archive/oldnews3/cato.htm
If you say "carthago delenda est" - you are saying, in essence, "Carthage must be destroyed and now on to other matters". However if you say, as Cato did, "delenda est carthago", then you are making a strong point (like an exclamation in English). Correctly translated Cato said, "And remember - Carthage must be destroyed!!" Modern Russian has the same rule (which rules were mostly derived from Latin) for emphasis.
Same rule hold true for applying delenda est to Isalm. Wikipedia is wrong.
I have zero Latin study under my belt. I’ll defer to your authority in Latin. Your argument is correct, I just thought it worked the other way around. Thanks.
Let’s make a simple deal. Stop killing us and we won’t be calling you naughty names.
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