Posted on 11/08/2009 8:55:07 AM PST by paltz
From what I understood last night the republican’s wanted to vote agaisnt this but since many of the anti abortiongroups couldn’t see past the ends of their noses and past how anti life the whole bill is their hands were forced to vote for it.Very stupid of thse groups to not see that.
Who are you talking to??????????
“The GOP is Charlie Brown....the rats are Lucy with the football.”
Huh? The GOP only had one defection out of 215. You can’t even blame this on conservatives in general. It needs top be placed at the feet of single issue Pro-Lifers who were willing to sacrifice the entire fight against the bill just to get this exclusion which will probably be removed sometime in the near future.
I’m not criticizing their position, only their empty headed, single minded strategry.
That’s the great lie, that ‘the blue dogs were had’. The blue dogs know the routine better than you or I, so they were not played, their voters who put them in offcie were the ones ‘had’. Democrats are liars. They belong to a criminal enterprise party. The blue dogs know the provision will be removed or negated but they pretend they can vote for the obscenity because there was a provision put in to placate them. They will do as they are told by their Nazi Pelicanosi and the Undertaker Reid, and the voters will liuke it or get over it. NEVER TRUST A DEMOCRAT ... bluedogs are just as dishonest, because they’re democrats first, with ‘Americans’ down from the top of the list. Democrats rae not conservatives, they’re liars at heart.
Suckers.....
“From what I understood last night the republican’s wanted to vote agaisnt this but since many of the anti abortiongroups couldn’t see past the ends of their noses and past how anti life the whole bill is their hands were forced to vote for it.”
I think all the R’s should have voted Present. Had they done so as a bloc, I seriously doubt anti-abortion groups would have punished them since the whole bill would have gone down to defeat. The Stupak amendment was only “needed” by pro-lifers in the event Obamacare was enacted into law. Without Obamacare, the Hyde amendment already adequately protects Medicare/Medicaid/FEHBP from funding abortions, hence passage of Stupak amendment would have been irrelevant. Shadegg was the only one smart enough to figure this out.
Go to NRO Doctor-Doctor blog if you want to understand what happened relative to the Stupak amendment. The GOP did not get played and carefully considered the consequences of voting against Stupak, or even voting present.
1. They stood on principle - protection of life.
2. They secured support from the Catholic Church and other pro-life groups for 2010 races.
3. The pro-abortion RATS would have voted for the Stupak amendment even if the GOP had voted present or NO, and this would have been used against GOP incumbents next year.
4. After careful deliberation, the GOP leadership knew that that when the conference report (if it even gets that far) comes back to the House with the Stupak amendment stripped from the final bill, there will be a river of Democratic blood on the floor of the House - and the RATS will NEVER be able to bridge the abortion divide in its caucus. This is why Boehner publicly baited each RAT committee chair to publicly state that there was no guarantee that Stupak would survive in conference.
Folks, you need to understand parlimentary procedure and legislative strategy a little bit better b4 you wave the shouts of GOP appeasement. NRO has exceptional arguments and commentary relative to the entirety of this issue.
Exactly. They could have easily abstained.
Pro-Life Advocates Upset Republicans May Vote Present on Stupak Amendment [electoral death warrants]It lays out the issues pretty well. Those who supported voting "yes" had the poorer arguments, IMHO. One could certainly vote "present" if that vote meant death for this monstrosity of a bill. Voting present wouldn't lose sensible pro-lifers. A vote of "present" would be easy to explain to anyone with an open mind. Those who argued against Shaddag's approach couldn't answer objections cogently or calmly. They tended to resort to abusive, ad hominem tactics.
WRONGO
Did you see the meltdown here on FR last night when there were some Rs who were going to do that very thing. They were called all kinds of names.
And they KNEW they were being played...their turn to now play you (well, not you specifically but the idiot sheople of this country)
Not really....it’s all a game to play the voter...you see now they have a “good” faith reason on why they were able to vote for this bill and you’re suppose to believe that they didn’t have a clue and were just stupid. They know EXACTLY how the game is played and they are playing it.
Lest one forgets the blue dog democrats are democrats first and will bow dowm to the alter of fascism under that witch pelousi
Thank you.
“The pro-abortion RATS would have voted for the Stupak amendment even if the GOP had voted present or NO, and this would have been used against GOP incumbents next year.”
I watched every minute of the vote. 190+ Dems had voted against the amendment before most R’s had committed. I think if R’s had strategically withheld their Present votes until the last minute or two, none of the D’s who’d already voted against would have had the time to change their votes before time elapsed. Pelosi may well have then extended the vote to ensure passage, but it probably would have been useful for the public to observe that in the end, this vote had everything to do with politics and nothing to do with principle.
I hope everything turns out as you describe, but can you imagine the backbiting that would have ensued had an unexpected display of Republican hardball led to defeat of Pelosi’s plans?
The Speaker can hold open a vote for as long as he or she likes... minutes, hours or days. The clock means nothing until the majority party decides when the vote is concluded.
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