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To: Cardhu
Hey Cardhu, Do me a favor. GO to this link and read it. And I mean really read it. Digest it and understand it. Link Think about it a while. Then come back and tell us:

Why you think the results will be different here

If this is really about healthcare or maybe it is more about some deep seeded need you have to see people with more than you punished. Even to your own detriment.

Because after reading that list, there is no way a rational person can come to the conclusion that government run healthcare is a good thing.

33 posted on 11/11/2009 2:12:09 AM PST by riri (http://rationaljingo.blogspot.com/)
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To: riri
Hi riri, I agree that what is being proposed as a remedy really sucks as it is a worthless piece of nonsense that will still keep the insurance companies in business with mandatory inflated premiums for less and less.

I don´t think it is my deep seated need to see people earning more than me punished. Over 20 years ago I earned more than 99.9 of the people on here and that was in the mid West. I am appalled at how little has change in those 20 years even though the dollar has lost over 50% of its value, and the cost of housing, state and local taxes have quadrupled. Not to mention hundreds of percentage increases in health care.

The real difference between us is that I have been under the British system, the American system, and the Spanish system and as you have seen by my other posts I do have some experience of the reality not tabloid half truths and propaganda.

You see ricky, I saw a YouTube video of a patient in a hospital waiting room fall over and die with the guard and medical personnel doing nothing to help except walk around him and observe, they claimed they did this for about an hour.

Now do I think that I will find dead bodies all of the floor of American Hospitals, of course not - I use common sense and do not extrapolate from that one incident the return of Twelfth Imam, the Rapture or any other cataclysmic event.

Now as to the 3 year old girl having her operation postponed, that may surprise you that that happens all the time everywhere. The story is simple, in October they told the mother she would need the operation in a year to eighteen months the hit piece you referred to was written in April 6 months later, and already it was postponed 3 time so when was the first time - Obviously well within the framework of 12 to 18 months. Even the mother did not think she need the operation as she was so well.

When you read newspaper articles be rational and not be guided to the conclusion that the writer wants to foist upon the simple. Although, in this case the writer is innocent but the reader had an axe to grind.

Read here:

Her parents, Ian Cotterell and Rachel Davis, were told last October that she would need an operation within 12 to 18 months.

Doctors carried out two angioplasties, where small balloons are inserted and inflated to clear a blocked blood vessel, but neither was successful.

Further surgery was initially planned for April 2 but was cancelled because of emergency cases and rearranged for four days later, the couple said. However, the operation was cancelled again for the same reason.

A third date was arranged for April 20 and last Thursday Ella went to the hospital for tests. On Saturday her parents received another call explaining her operation would have to be cancelled.

Ms Davis, who works part-time as an accident and emergency nurse at the Frenchay Hospital in Bristol, said that she was devastated when she was told there were not enough beds.

“My husband and I were in tears,” she said. “When our six-year-old son Liam asked what was wrong we told him Ella’s operation had been cancelled again and he said we should tell Gordon Brown.”

The family are waiting for another surgery date. In the meantime, Ella is having to take adult doses of medication to control her blood pressure.

“We have asked the doctors if she really needs the surgery as she is so happy at the moment and is running around like a normal little girl, but she could drop down dead at any moment,” Ms Davis said.

I think this shows a System that cares for people - no quibbles about pre-existing conditions no humongous co-pays not losing your insurance for ever because you claimed

I am afraid I must not be a rational person in your book. I do take comfort that I am in good company with the rest of the civilized world - so what can I do?

43 posted on 11/11/2009 3:49:31 AM PST by Cardhu
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