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Theist, Agnostic, Atheist: Will the Real Charles Darwin Please Stand Up?
Uncommon Descent ^ | November 11, 2009 | Flannery

Posted on 11/11/2009 2:02:08 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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1 posted on 11/11/2009 2:02:10 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: spirited irish; metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; ..

Well worth reading...PING!


2 posted on 11/11/2009 2:04:55 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

This is an interesting read, but are you in charge of the creationist ping or something.

As for atheists, we don’t need to rehash all their ailments again do we? It’s par for the course that an atheist will always try to manipulate others for their own gain, since the atheist denies the judge and, by default, holds values like honor, and integrity and honesty in contempt.

Ask any psychologist about the sociopathic personality and they will sum it up that the sociopath believes that everyone else shares their complete lack of empathy for others only for “good public face” they pretend to care. A sociopathic murderer will smirk and think to themselves “Good grief” when he sees the mother of the teenage girl he raped and murdered start to cry on the stand at trial.

The atheist is on a par with this, not that all atheists are murderers, but they think in similar manners to the sociopathic murderer.

Maybe atheism could be classified as a sociopathic disorder?

No offense intended.


3 posted on 11/11/2009 2:15:22 PM PST by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I see Bud Collier, Tom Poston, Kitty Carlisle, and Orson Bean. Where’s Peggy Cass?


4 posted on 11/11/2009 2:17:01 PM PST by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thank you for the variety.


5 posted on 11/11/2009 2:22:54 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: GodGunsGuts
Darwin started off hard-core Christian, even considering a career in clergy.
"I liked the thought of being a country clergyman. Accordingly I read with care Pearson on the Creed and a few other books on divinity; and as I did not then in the least doubt the strict and literal truth of every word in the Bible, I soon persuaded myself that our Creed must be fully accepted."
Even on the Beagle he surprised other officers with how devout he was. His research led him to agnosticism, and the death of his daughter sealed it.
6 posted on 11/11/2009 2:25:14 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: BertWheeler

Interesting take. I think there are different degrees of atheism. The hardest of the hardcore atheists are what I call revolutionary evolutionists. And as you say, they are sociopaths that attempt to dupe the masses into handing over their sovereignty to them. If revolutionary evolutionists are are successful, they immediately start a mass genocide against the masses, until everyone is sufficiently terrorized into going along with the program, which is, of course, slavery combined with a system that ensures only the most ruthless rise to the top. Darwin was not one of these. He didn’t have the stomach for it. He was more or less a passive aggressive atheist, who sought to undermine Christian society, while at the same time enjoying its benefits. He is what the hardcore revolutionary evolutionists would call a useful idiot IMHO.


7 posted on 11/11/2009 2:31:11 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks!

Another interesting read.


8 posted on 11/11/2009 2:39:33 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks!

Another interesting read.


9 posted on 11/11/2009 2:39:41 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: BertWheeler

“Maybe atheism could be classified as a sociopathic disorder?”

Now that’s a thought!

Perhaps a HUGE ego contributes to that.


10 posted on 11/11/2009 2:40:59 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

As always, the pleasure is all mine :o)


11 posted on 11/11/2009 2:42:02 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: BertWheeler

“The atheist is on a par with this, not that all atheists are murderers, but they think in similar manners to the sociopathic murderer.”

Wow. How positively Christian of you.

You’ll sure turn alot of agnostics your way with that kind of crap.


12 posted on 11/11/2009 2:49:36 PM PST by battletank
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Evangelical atheism = social autism


13 posted on 11/11/2009 3:41:13 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (There are only two REAL conservatives in America - myself, and my chosen Presidential candidate)
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To: battletank
Wow. How positively Christian of you.

Interesting. Why do you think Christians are somehow bound to countenance and approve of atheism? You apparently have bought into the notion that Christians are supposed to sit around like church mice and never say a disapproving thing of those who are clean in error. Little church mice, so kind and meek.

If so, then you are sorely mistaken.

14 posted on 11/11/2009 3:45:26 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (There are only two REAL conservatives in America - myself, and my chosen Presidential candidate)
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No. Of course I don’t think you should sit around “approving”. I would expect a Christian to not be calling others sociopath murdering type thinkers, however.

It’s exactly absolute crap like that that gives people reasons to call out the “loving” Christians.


15 posted on 11/11/2009 3:50:51 PM PST by battletank
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To: BertWheeler

“...not that all atheists are murderers, but they think in similar manners to the sociopathic murderer”

With all due respect Bert, it’s statements like these that prevented me from becoming a Christian for many years.

I’m a Christian now, and I think it’s applicable here to state that Jesus said, “Love Thy Neighbor”.

Now, I’m no pansy Christian - but I think we should be careful what we say....

Scott


16 posted on 11/11/2009 4:05:17 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

But you YECers have no friends. You have total disdain for fellow OECers only using them as useful idiots in your fight against evolution.


17 posted on 11/11/2009 4:09:30 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: GodGunsGuts

Interesting article, GGG. However, while intellectually fascinating, I fail to see the connection between Darwin’s religious beliefs and the objective scientific truth (or otherwise) of his work.


18 posted on 11/11/2009 4:41:56 PM PST by Rafterman ("If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." -- Curtis LeMay)
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To: BertWheeler
It’s par for the course that an atheist will always try to manipulate others for their own gain, since the atheist denies the judge and, by default, holds values like honor, and integrity and honesty in contempt.

And upon what fount of wisdom do you base this vapid, meaningless, uncalled-for stereotyping of people who do not share your belief system?

And for the record, no, I am not an athiest... my religious beliefs are no one's business but mine and God's.

19 posted on 11/11/2009 4:47:52 PM PST by Rafterman ("If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting." -- Curtis LeMay)
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To: BertWheeler
As for atheists, we don’t need to rehash all their ailments again do we? It’s par for the course that an atheist will always try to manipulate others for their own gain, since the atheist denies the judge and, by default, holds values like honor, and integrity and honesty in contempt.

Ask any psychologist about the sociopathic personality and they will sum it up that the sociopath believes that everyone else shares their complete lack of empathy for others only for “good public face” they pretend to care. A sociopathic murderer will smirk and think to themselves “Good grief” when he sees the mother of the teenage girl he raped and murdered start to cry on the stand at trial.

The atheist is on a par with this, not that all atheists are murderers, but they think in similar manners to the sociopathic murderer.

Funny. Although most of the time I'd call myself a philosophical theist (sometimes wavering toward agnosticism) I'm pretty well convinced that God does not judge humans. Nor do I believe in any sort of an afterlife.

Therefore, since, exactly like an atheist, I "den[y] the judge," I should regularly contemplate murder. But I never have. Not even once. I should be incapable of empathy. But I am. I should hold "honor, and integrity and honesty in contempt." But I find I don't.

What's more, I respect believers, almost universally, making exception only for particularly deviant individuals. I would never even think of declaring them "sociopaths," or of putting forward any remotely comparable smear, as a global assertion.

In fact, it occurs to me that I find the practice of positing such hostile claims about large and broadly inclusive groups of persons, based solely on group membership, to be false, facile and contemptuous.

So what's wrong with me?

20 posted on 11/11/2009 4:52:46 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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