Posted on 11/11/2009 2:02:08 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
“No offense intended.”
—As an atheist I’m not offended since: 1) I strongly doubt that you actually believe a word of that and 2) only someone completely demented would believe any of that, and it would be difficult to get offended by anything uttered by someone that insane.
BW believes that it is ok for him to whack your dog as long as he pays the medical bills.
I posted it as an informational piece, as well as to help establish Darwin’s motives for coming up with his blatantly atheistic “theory” of Evolution (seeing how so many evos mistakenly believe he was a Christian, or a theist, or otherwise spiritually pious man).
While I understand your motivation, I still fail to comprehend how one relates to the other. In my opinion, it's akin to denying the scientific validity of Galileo's discoveries on no other basis than because he was condemned by the Church as a heretic.
As for Galileo's discoveries being condemned by the Church, that is a myth that was created by evo-atheists to make it appear as though Christianity and Science have been at war with each other. Nothing could be further from the truth. Indeed, the Catholic Church was quite open to Galileo's ideas, it was the Aristotelian science establishment that pressured the Catholic Church to go after Galileo. Of course, Galileo didn't help himself by insulting everyone around him, including the Pope.
Thanks for the ping!
On that, sir, you are almost wholly incorrect. Galileo was denounced to the Inquisition in 1615. Although he was cleared at the time, the Church denounced heliocentrism the following year. Later in his life, he was again tried by the Inquisition, found guilty of heresy, forced to recant, and spend the remainder of his life under house arrest.
We: [names of ten Cardinals]By the grace of God, Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, and especially commissioned by the Holy Apostolic See as Inquisitors-General against heretical depravity in all of Christendom.
Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vincenzio Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, were denounced to this Holy Office in 1615 for holding as true the false doctrine taught by some that the sun is the center of the world and motionless and the earth moves even with diurnal motion; for having disciples to whom you taught the same doctrine; for being in correspondence with some German mathematicians about it; for having published some letters entitiled On Sunspots, in which you explained the same doctrine as true; for interpreting Holy Scripture according to your own meaning in response to objections based on Scripture which were sometimes made to you; and whereas later we received a copy of an essay in the form of a letter, which was said to have been written by you to a former disciple of yours and which in accordance with Copernicus's position contains various propositions against the authority and true meaning of Holy Scripture;
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We say, pronounce, sentence, and declare that you, the above-mentioned Galileo, because of the things deduced in the trial and confessed by you as above, have rendered yourself according to this Holy Office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely of having held and believed a doctine which is false and contrary to the divine and Holy Scripture: that the sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west, and the earth moves and is not the center of the world, and that one may hold and defend as probable an opinion after it has been declared and defined contrary to Holy Scripture. Consequently you have incurred all the censures and penalties imposed and promulgated by the sacred canons and all particular and general laws against such delinquents. We are willing to absolve you from them provided that first, with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith, in front of us you abjure, curse, and detest the above-mentioned errors and heresies, and every other error and heresy contrary to the Catholic and Apostolic Church, in the manner and form we will prescribe to you.
Furthermore, so that this serious and pernicious error and transgression of yours does not remain completely unpunished, and so that you will be more cautious in the future and an example for others to abstain from similar crimes, we order that the book Dialogue by Galileo Galilei be prohibited by public edict.
We condemn you to formal imprisonment in this Holy Office at our pleasure. As a salutary penance we impose on you to recite the seven penitential Psalms once a week for the next three years. And we reserve the authority to moderate, change, or condone wholly or in part the above-mentioned penalties and penances.
The Galileo Affair: A Documentary History, edited and translated by Maurice A. Finocchiaro
Although you are correct that Pope Urban VIII (who was a supporter of Galileo prior to being elected Pope) felt insulted by Galileo's Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, most historians agree that the insult was unintended.
May I suggest you read the following, as it will most certainly alter your thinking on what went down re: the Galileo affair:
http://creation.com/the-galileo-affair-history-or-heroic-hagiography
That's the Soviet way. "Crime-thinkers are mentally unsound!"
Thanks for the link... I'll take a look at it; but I highly doubt that it will change my mind, as the excerpt above is from the recorded minutes of the Roman Inquisition, and is very clear to me.
But I will take a look.
Copernicus' De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium was denounced by the Church three years after it's publication, and was banned in 1615. Galileo was convicted as a heretic and his books banned. Both books remained on the Church's list of banned books for over 200 years, but their scientific discoveries have withstood the tests of both time and censure, and both men were validated in the end.
It's also interesting to note that Sir Isaac Newton was a very religious man, although perhaps not in the conventional sense, as he did not believe in the Holy Trinity. Do Newton's religious beliefs somehow make the fundamentals of gravity more scientifically valid?
Amen to that............there are some folks here who need to take a long look in the mirror instead of constantly judging others.
I could not agree more.
Bookmarking for later, as we are off to Orlando to meet the Tea Party Express on it’s final stop!!
Coldwater, you’re misquoting a conversation I had in a different thread. The topic in that thread was that dogs should not be so elevated as to be nearly comparable before the law as humans.
There was a case where a person threw a dog from a moving car and received a three year prison sentence yet any pregnant woman can legally stick a fork in a baby’s head. What gives? This is a sign of moral decay.
I like furry critters just as much as the next guy but I also disagreed with Michael Vick going to jail for mistreating his own private property. A more appropriate punishment would be to donate $250,000 to a homeless shelter or some charity run by a local church.
Stultis, I never said atheists couldn’t conjure up clever sentences.
I knew a guy who was a proclaimed atheist and he often said that life itself was trivial. But he also once said that if any of his children ever got mad at him and said “I hate you” that he would NEVER forgive them.
This atheist friend of mine has literally turned himself into a god. I pointed this out to him and he refused to ever speak to me again. I guess I offended him by refuting his self-made view of himself as a god. You could call me a “Dan Barker” sort where it concerns his solipsistic god.
As for you and your lack of plans to commit murders, that’s a good thing because a bright guy like you would certainly get away with them. Most murderers are dumb as dirt so I guess the atheists who are also physical murderers are the dumb ones.
I don’t think you disagree with me as much as you may seem to now. Take some time to think about the implication of my words.
Isn’t atheism the prime mover behind abortion? Of course it is. Since the atheist does not believe in God, he therefore does not believe that life is a gift from God. It’s okay to view the lower animal forms in a breeder mentality, but viewing humanity in all it’s POTENTIAL glory in that manner?
Don’t atheists, by disbelieving in God, deny the Judgeship of God? You know it. So my saying they are simply looking for a way to deny the judge is correct.
In your life, I’m sure you don’t go around acting like some kind of sociopathic criminal preying on the weak otherwise you would be at Daily KOS or some other leftwing wackjob website.
When I say no offense intended, I really mean it. My views on what drives atheists is up for debate, but it’s also a very distilled version of my thoughts. On a web forum, you gotta keep it pithy.
What a person believes affects how they interpret the world around them, their worldview in the popular usage. And how the world molds their beliefs.
And young Master Darwin did a great deal of interpreting, assigning of causes to the effects he observed, viewing the world through the lens his world had ground.
Had Darwin been a profoundly religious man and a firm believer in the truth and inspiration of the Bible that would be just as important to know of him and how it affected him.
You are absolutely correct. He came up with a theory of origins (at least a theory of origins of the already living) that jived with his worldview. And it just so happens that the predictions Darwin made based on that worldview are now being falsified so fast that it is making the evos collective heads spin!
It won't matter how many credible sources you post or link to. GGG will always trot out some posting from dubious site like creation.com written by someone who got their Doctor of Divinity degree in night school from the South Tulsa School of Creation and Diesel Maintenance to "trump" the original data.
What predictions would those be? Evolutionary biology is largely a historical science, especially in Darwin's time.
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