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Iraq Lesson Still Unlearned: We Won
Investors.com ^ | November 11, 2009

Posted on 11/11/2009 5:29:16 PM PST by Kaslin

Strategy: Democracy is finally taking hold in the wake of Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. That, not American withdrawal, should be the big story. It's time to acknowledge success and to learn from it.

You wouldn't know it from most news coverage, but the Iraq story continues and — get this — it's a story of emerging victory. What else can you call it when a stable democracy, the ultimate goal in America's military intervention, is in sight?

With last Sunday's passage of a law that paves the way for the first national elections since 2005, the Iraqi people will soon be able to cement their unity and nationhood in a way they never have.

The contrasts with 2005 are telling.

Back then, the elections were blighted by a Sunni Arab boycott. Iraqis voted for parties, not individual candidates, on sectarian and ethnic lines. If anything, the balloting heightened divisions and boosted the insurgency.

This time, voters will choose individuals rather than parties. No serious boycotts are in the works. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has broken with his old Shiite alliance and is leading a national-unity coalition. The touchy issue of who will claim oil-rich Kirkuk was defused in a compromise that satisfied Kurds and Arabs.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushlegacy; iraq; oif; victory

1 posted on 11/11/2009 5:29:16 PM PST by Kaslin
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2 posted on 11/11/2009 5:30:07 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

This is hog wash. These Wahhabi sect Sunnis are killing HUNDREDS every week. Last week they annihilated 200 people inside the green zone! PLEEEEEASE!!!


3 posted on 11/11/2009 5:40:35 PM PST by londonfog
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To: londonfog

How many Sunnis are doing the killing — vs. the number who would prefer settling matters at the ballot box? Why do you strive so hard to lend credence to murderers?


4 posted on 11/11/2009 5:48:56 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: londonfog

We were winning in Vietnam too,
when I left.

The Soc/dems will turn victory into defeat and
put the blame on “drift”, just like in Afghanistan.

I hear Oman is down to just four choices now....


5 posted on 11/11/2009 5:51:07 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

We don’t need Nation Building. We are BROKE!!! If we had border security here we would have no problem with the Taliban. GET OUT!!!


6 posted on 11/11/2009 6:20:15 PM PST by londonfog
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To: londonfog

Back this up with a link.


7 posted on 11/11/2009 6:22:13 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: londonfog
This is hog wash. These Wahhabi sect Sunnis are killing HUNDREDS every week. Last week they annihilated 200 people inside the green zone! PLEEEEEASE!!!

This is past the state of Hog Wash, It is a mixture of hog Shi* and BS.

8 posted on 11/11/2009 6:23:23 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Kaslin

*Bump*


9 posted on 11/11/2009 6:27:38 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: Jet Jaguar
I'd rather see who wrote the garbage at the libertarian blog site.
10 posted on 11/11/2009 6:28:43 PM PST by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
200,000 Chaldeans have escaped Iraq to Syria to avoid robbery, rape, kidnapping and murder.. The Shia dominated Government's first order of business was to adopt Sharia as the Law of the Land.. Malaki came from out of exile and was living where Iran? Where he as a Shia was a guest of the Governmnet..

Our troops not outfought even given crap for support.. piss poor strategy..

Our State Department and General Officers out thought by the Iranians at every turn.. That is being Generous.

Now they try to repeat the same crap in Afghanistan.. Our leaders do not care about the WOT the American troops who are fighting nor any of us.. They plan on being in Monaco or the French Rivera when things completely go to he## here in the US.

We have lost strategically in Iraq..It is now little more than a satellite of Iran.

That is just the simple unvarnished truth.. W

11 posted on 11/11/2009 6:30:58 PM PST by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: londonfog
If we had border security here we would have no problem with the Taliban.

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We attack you not because of your support for Israel, not because we think you are infidel dogs who deserve to die, but because of your border security...oh yeah...and don't forget to vote for Ron Paul.

12 posted on 11/11/2009 6:46:56 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: WLR
was to adopt Sharia

This anti-war garbage has been debunked a thousand times on this website.

Our troops not outfought even given crap for support...Our State Department and General Officers out thought by the Iranians

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13 posted on 11/11/2009 6:56:24 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: Jet Jaguar

Go look it up on Google. I’m not your butt boy.


14 posted on 11/11/2009 8:01:33 PM PST by londonfog
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To: londonfog

Nice response.

You still did not back it up.


15 posted on 11/11/2009 8:04:08 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: londonfog

I’ll be here all night.


16 posted on 11/11/2009 8:04:42 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: londonfog

Make a statement, be prepared to back it up.

Hill AFB will have F-35’s replacing F-16’s.

And for a backup, I post a link.

It’s not too hard:

Hill named as likely home for F-35 fighter squadrons

http://www.f-16.net/news_article3883.html


17 posted on 11/11/2009 8:09:28 PM PST by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: death2tyrants

Nice Graphic... Of course you said nothing to Debunk what I stated because in truth you cannot.. and know it..

You also know the more you challenge my points the more people will recognize I am simply speaking the truth so you call it “Debunked Anti-War Garbage” pound the table because you cannot pound the facts.

So like I said nice Graphic (wish I was so skilled) and sorry to have to expose your effort to misdirect attention from the the truth..

40% of all US Casualties have occured on Roads and Trails because of Road and Trail bound Wheeled UN Style Crapomatic Vehicles.

Why?

Because our PC Generals live in a fantasy world.

Those Wheeled Crapomatics make the targeting and killing/wounding of our Men easy.

Make their routes of movement from one place to another totally predictable.. A question of when not where.. so the enemy can deply an IED along or on a road.. and simply overwatch it like sitting in a deer stand waiting to kill our Troops and Marines.

That is not the Marine or Troops fault.. Not the Lts, Capts, Majors, LTC or Cols decision..

The decision to deploy American Fighting Men in Crapmobiles belongs to one group the Flag Officers specifically the Generals.

Nearly 14,000 M113 Tracked Armored Personell Carriers alone sit idle in Depots here in the United States. Possibly more in Prepositioned War Stocks around the world..

Are they being saved for a Chineese invasion.. Well if that were the case the Army would not have tried to give 1000 of them to be used as targets by the Air Force a couple years ago.. Allowed hundreds to be dropped into oceans along with medium tanks (the same kind of tanks and apcs used successfuly by Israel everyday) as a place for fish to fornicate.

Instead of “Going to war with what we had” (remember that lie?_

The US Generals go out and buy 13,000 10 Ton Marshmallow Sprug Overweight Toads/” Armored” Humvees which are really little more that overloaded, underpowered light trucks that cannot get off the roads and trails and are easily distroyed killing wounding the men/women inside.

Same basic principle goes for the LAV and the Stryker..

Brilliant Generalship (Sarc)

Yeah I am just chuck full of anti-bullcrap sentiment.. Want a War? Fight it.. Don’t pretend and waste the fortune of America and Lives of their Young Men and Women.

“Rulers can destroy the army if they HOBBLE, or try to rule by governmental ways or by indiscriminate use of officers.
Know when to fight and when not to fight.”
Sun Tzu

Now that is what has been going on all along hasn’t it?

You have all heard the term... “The Long War” Our Pretty Boy ever so well spoken Generals Harrump Harrump about it when they want to appear wise.

“Victory is the main object of war. If war is long delayed, weapons are blunted and morale depressed... there has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited.”
Sun Tzu

DUH?

Anti-War Garbage indeed.. LOL


18 posted on 11/13/2009 8:10:09 AM PST by WLR (Remember 911 Remember 91 Iran delinda est.)
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To: WLR
Of course you said nothing to Debunk what I stated

I don't need to. It's been debunked a thousand times on this websight. Where were you? Your side started having success, then the Americans, under General Petraeus's request, initiated a troop surge, and your side lost. So now you run around pretending your side (al-Qaeda and Iran) won and making foolish claims like Iraq adopted shiria law, despite such facts like a adopting a constitution specifically banning takfir and woman holding government positions. That's not sharia law. Now you appear to be making goofy claims that our troops are using UN vehicles and both the U.S. our Iraqi allies are incapable of catching terrorists planting IEDs. Do you know how many videos have been posted on this site showing terrorist getting blown to bits while trying to plant IEDs?

targeting and killing/wounding of our Men easy.

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19 posted on 11/13/2009 12:22:28 PM PST by death2tyrants
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