The Constitution: A Big Gubmint Boondoggle Born of Manufactured Crisis

various | 11/12/09 | Patrick Henry

[HiTech RedNeck]

It’s clear you haven’t even read what I said.

[Huck]

Call me patriotic, but I enjoy with confidence our status as the greatest nation on earth, even with our current and past flaws.

I get it. Empire agrees with you. That's fine. It's an honest position. And I understand you value our actual history too much to bear consideration of alternate histories. That's fine too. Romanticism is not necessarily a bad thing in a person.

[Huck]

I don’t know how you come to that conclusion. I believe I included your remarks and responded to them directly.

[Huck]

Did you read this, from the actual post?

Show me that age and country where the rights and liberties of the people were placed on the sole chance of their rulers being good men, without a consequent loss of liberty! I say that the loss of that dearest privilege has ever followed, with absolute certainty, every such mad attempt....If your American chief be a man of ambition and abilities, how easy is it for him to render himself absolute! The army is in his hands, and if he be a man of address,.... This, sir, is my great objection to the Constitution, that there is no true responsibility — and that the preservation of our liberty depends on the single chance of men being virtuous enough to make laws to punish themselves....

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Romanticism is not necessarily a bad thing in a person.

You're engaging in alternate history to conjure up a utopian fantasy and you accuse the guy who says things aren't that bad in the great scheme of things a romantic?

[Tenacious 1]

I sincerely appreciate the civility of this thread. It is good discussion and full of intelligent opinion.

I think we would agree that the forefathers did not intend for our Federal government to be what it is today. Whether you like or dislike the very idea of the constitution, would you not agree that it has been raped and bastardized over the years?

[Huck]

You're engaging in alternate history to conjure up a utopian fantasy

I've done no such thing. You can't show me where I have done that.

[Dumb_Ox]

Just last night I watched the excellent ISI debate "Moved: The Anti-Federalists Were Right to Oppose the Ratification of the US Constitution."

[Little Ray]

Couldn’t be like Switzerland. We were and are a maritime nation like England and could not maintain such a neutral status.

[Huck]

Thanks. I’ll have to check that out.

[Psalm 144]

Thank you. I was unaware of this prescience.

The Court’s relentless embezzlement of power over the years has been the greatest single flaw in our system, IMO.

[Huck]

The Court’s relentless embezzlement of power over the years has been the greatest single flaw in our system, IMO.

I agree. See Antifederalist papers 80-83. Devestating.

[HiTech RedNeck]

You made a misquote. Yours to figure out.