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To: myknowledge
It's no accident that the J-10 resembles the F-16, because Israel apparently sold them technology for the Israeli Lavi jet fighter. Israel abandoned the Lavi project, because of the high cost and availability of cheaper alternatives (buying F-16s and F-15s from the United States.) But the Lavi was meant to be a super F-16, and incorporated a lot of design ideas from the F-16 (which the Israelis were very familiar with, as they used them, and had developed new components for them.)

So, lets connect the dots here. The US shares fighter tech with Israel. Israel then sells that fighter tech to China. China then sells the fighters built with the tech to Pakistan, which may very well be buying those fighters using revenue generated in selling NUKE TECH to people who want to incinerate Israel and the US.

As much as I support Israel, I really hope its leaders understand clearly just how boneheaded a move that was.

Although my understanding is that Israel sold the Lavi tech to China covertly and over the US's refusal to approve. The Israelis were also going to sell AEW&C tech to the ChiComs, but the US put a figurative gun to Israel's head and said "NO YOU WON'T".
21 posted on 11/12/2009 9:15:07 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
Given that Israel recently impounded the Harpy anti-radar drones sold to China, I'd say yes.
Of course the US is looking to sell nuclear power plants to Gulf countries.
25 posted on 11/12/2009 10:02:55 AM PST by rmlew (Democracy tends to ignore..., threats to its existence because it loathes doing what is needed)
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To: tanknetter
Related article from Financial Times

Pakistan in Chinese fighter jet deal

By Farhan Bokhari in Islamabad

Published: November 10 2009 08:16 | Last updated: November 10 2009 18:29

China has agreed to sell Pakistan at least 36 advanced fighter jets in a deal worth as much as $1.4bn, according to Pakistani and western officials.

Beijing will supply two squadrons of the J-10 fighter jet in a preliminary agreement that could lead to more sales, said a Pakistani official. The official said Pakistan might buy “larger numbers” of the multi-role aircraft in the future, but dismissed reports that Islamabad had signed a deal to purchase as many as 150 of the fighter jets.

Defence experts described the agreement with China as a landmark event in Pakistan’s defence relationship with the military power. China’s transition from a manufacturer of low-fighters to more advanced jets comparable to some western models is seen as evidence of Beijing’s increasing strategic clout in Asia.

“China is developing a real capacity to produce and export its arms. At one point, the Chinese were dependent on imported Russian technology, but obviously China has advanced significantly beyond those days,” said Marika Vicziany, Professor of Asian studies at Monash University in Melbourne.

“This agreement should not simply be seen in the narrow context of Pakistan’s relations with China,” said Abdul Qayyum, a retired Pakistani general.

“There is a wider dimension. By sharing its advanced technology with Pakistan, China is ... also saying to the world that its defence capability is growing rapidly.”

China has supplied Pakistan with fighter jets for more than three decades. But Beijing has seldom supplied Pakistan’s air force with advanced fighter aircraft. Islamabad turned to France for Mirage fighter jets in the 1970s and to the US for F-16s in the 1980s.

Pakistan has a fleet of 45 F-16s built by Lockheed Martin. The Pakistani air force is using the fighter jet in its campaign against militants in South Waziristan.

The US has agreed to sell Islamabad another 18 new F-16s and Pakistani officials also expected the US to supply about a dozen older versions of the aircraft.

Over the past decade, China and Pakistan have collaborated on building their first jointly produced advanced fighter jet, known as the JF-17, or “Thunder”. Pakistan is expected to roll out the first domestically built version of the Thunder within weeks.

Pakistan’s air force plans to purchase at least 250 of the Thunder fighters over the next four to five years.

Experts see the new Pakistani focus on China as evidence that Beijing is trying to expand its military power.

“Countries like Iran and possibly some of the Middle Eastern countries would be keen to deal with China if they can find technology which is comparable to the west,” said one western official in Islamabad.

“Pakistan will work as the laboratory to try out Chinese aircraft. If they work well with the Pakistani air force, others will follow.”

Source: Pakistan in Chinese fighter jet deal

29 posted on 11/12/2009 10:21:35 PM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: tanknetter
So, lets connect the dots here. The US shares fighter tech with Israel. Israel then sells that fighter tech to China. China then sells the fighters built with the tech to Pakistan, which may very well be buying those fighters using revenue generated in selling NUKE TECH to people who want to incinerate Israel and the US. the billions of dollars of aid being provided by US for the fake war-on-terror!

There I corrected your statement!

The irony of the situation would be when in future, if India-US-Israel would want take out paki nuke facilities, they would be faced with the very technology they sold! I still can't believe Israel was this stupid with regards to dealing with China! J-10 might very well be one of the reasons that could stop India-US-Israel joint ops against pakis in future! :(

30 posted on 11/13/2009 9:49:19 AM PST by An_Indian
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