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To: mnehring

No I am not. I believe the predestination (from God’s standpoint) and free will (from our standpoint) exist at the exact same time (by design).


8 posted on 11/18/2009 6:09:49 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
No I am not. I believe the predestination (from God’s standpoint) and free will (from our standpoint) exist at the exact same time (by design).

There actually may be hope for good conversation on this thread after all.. This is one of the theological/philosophical questions that I find quite intriguing.

11 posted on 11/18/2009 6:12:34 PM PST by mnehring
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To: GodGunsGuts
No I am not. I believe the predestination (from God’s standpoint) and free will (from our standpoint) exist at the exact same time (by design).

Jumping right back to this... (consider these questions to expand thought, not to challenge what you are saying..)

If many does have free will, then each choice we make has an equal opportunity to exist, correct? Free will does mean free, God doesn't direct the choice, but allows the choice to happen? God, however, predestining our fate then, must exist (for lack of a better term) in a plane of existence where every choice plays out? (thus "Supernatural" outside our laws of space/time). So He also can exist outside our timelines as well, where the future results of choices exist before our making those choices?

Why would this not just apply to man's choices but to every event from a particle touching another particle to a butterfly choosing to fly one way or another?

Could it not be that maybe when we study multi-verse theory (which now is just math and rudimentary experiments) we may be getting a glimpse that there is more to the physical universe than we exist in?

Have you ever thought that things like string theory and multi-verse may actually be man being allowed to get a little more glimpse of God's creation, not a challenge to what some may think is the limits to His creation?

19 posted on 11/18/2009 6:19:46 PM PST by mnehring
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To: GodGunsGuts
No I am not. I believe the predestination (from God’s standpoint) and free will (from our standpoint) exist at the exact same time (by design).

I am going to pause for a moment, and reflect.

Yes.

This was the single-most lucid and cogent sentence ever posted on FR.

Well done.

22 posted on 11/18/2009 6:21:25 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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