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1 posted on 11/20/2009 7:46:26 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I use clorox for a lot of cleaning. How effective will the new product be?


2 posted on 11/20/2009 7:49:57 AM PST by twigs
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Ok, so Clorox won’t be making the bleach out of chlorine and sodium hydroxide... but it will be buying a 15% concentration bleach and will be diluting it to 6%.

Who is making the 15% bleach? Aren’t they making it with chlorine and sodium hydroxide?

It’s not that Clorox is changing the “recipe”, it’s that they aren’t cooking it in their own kitchen. Whose kitchen is it being cooked in? Mexico? China?


3 posted on 11/20/2009 7:50:40 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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The finished product will still contain chlorine.

A lot of swimming pool owners now use liquid sodium hypochlorite instead of chlorine gas already as it is so much easier and safer to handle, but the chlorine is still "in there".

4 posted on 11/20/2009 7:51:37 AM PST by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I have a feeling it won’t be long before the strongest cleaning ingredient we’ll be able to buy is deionized water.


5 posted on 11/20/2009 7:51:46 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Hope....Change...Unemployment!)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
So, if I read the article correctly :
Cl2 + 2NaOH = NaClO + H2
Seems like the manufacturing process produces hydrogen gas… Interesting… The main ingredient listed is sodium hypochlorite

8 posted on 11/20/2009 7:54:52 AM PST by BigEdLB (Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Sounds good to me. The Germans used chlorine on my granddad in WWI, and I’ve heard gruesome stories of deaths during the manufacture of it, and seen the newscasts and news reports of what happens when a chlorine tanker derails. The gas is bad stuff. Amazing that the air we breath element Oxygen is Chlorine’s chemical twin.

The old good twin, bad twin mythos goes back to the creation of the very elements.


10 posted on 11/20/2009 8:00:46 AM PST by bvw
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Thank G-d my mother isn't alive to see this. She Clorox-ed EVERYTHING. We had to watch her like a hawk as she combined Clorox with Ammonia one day. Damn near killed herself.

We were definitely germ free, but if dead, who cares??? ;-) I used to tease her that she should have bought stock in Clorox and Scotch Tape. Her gifts were impregnable. There were a lot of frustrated cousins at Christmas and Birthdays in our house — not to mention the neighborhood.

11 posted on 11/20/2009 8:00:56 AM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

The article doesn’t match the title.

Clorox will still be selling products with chlorine.
They’re just not going to make it domestically.

It sounds to me like they’re going to downsize and import the product...but they’ve issued a press release to make it sound like they’re being “green”. Covering their butts with a green excuse.


13 posted on 11/20/2009 8:03:28 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

The water purification link wants to put a cookie on my computer. No thanks.


15 posted on 11/20/2009 8:03:50 AM PST by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

How much harm has been done during shipping of chlorine in comparison with, say, getting out of bed in the morning? Sounds like another law that increases the cost of doing something (making Chlorox in this case) in the name of the environment or safety. It wouldn’t be surprising if Chlorox eventually takes the whole operation to another country.


16 posted on 11/20/2009 8:04:32 AM PST by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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So, all the Clorox plant will now be doing is diluting someone else’s “Clorox.” So why should I buy Clorox? How could they possibly make a superior product than Brand X? And why is it safer to put all those trucks on the highway with the concentrated bleach, than to package the bleach where it is created? This sounds like Clorox no longer finds the plant operable, and is trying to put an environmental spin on what is essentially going out of the manufacturing business.


17 posted on 11/20/2009 8:04:33 AM PST by dangus (Nah, I'm not really Jim Thompson, but I play him on FR.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

The only reason I buy Clorox is for the chlorine. If they stop using it, I’ll stop buying it.


19 posted on 11/20/2009 8:05:58 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Only in America does being convicted of a capital crime increase your life expectancy.)
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so....we will just start importing all of our chlorine bleach so the chlorine plants can all sit in Indonesia or Pakistan.

Great thinking there, Feds!!


26 posted on 11/20/2009 8:17:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Just a thought that hasn’t been covered yet. Clorox is a business. They are going to do whatever it takes to make a profit and whatever they can to make a bigger profit. Is this a bunch of BS about safety and security? I’ll bet they will be increasing profits with their new formula. Otherwise they would have continued the status quo. Again it’s just my theory based on how business works, I’ve got nothing to back it up.


28 posted on 11/20/2009 8:20:51 AM PST by Rudolphus (Tagline? I don't need no steenkin' tagline.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

It looks like this more about the security aspect of transporting massive amounts of chlorine than environmental issues.

Chlorine is nasty. All of the halogens in pure form are highly reactive, especially with organic compounds, and very dangerous. I don’t mind less of the pure form being moved around the country in bulk.


30 posted on 11/20/2009 8:29:00 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I’m having trouble understanding this article. I read that Chlorox is going to start buying chlorine instead of shipping it? Is that what it says?


31 posted on 11/20/2009 8:29:12 AM PST by RoadTest ( For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. - I Cor. 3:11)
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The patent on Oxi-Clean (High Strength Bleach) must have run out so that the process may be used by anyone. Does it kill germs like Chlorine bleach? I doubt it.


34 posted on 11/20/2009 8:34:08 AM PST by Bullpine
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I love the smell of Chlorx clean.

I also find that 2-3 tbls in a spray filled with water is a great cleaner for everything....

another tip....to remove soap scum...use a damp dryer sheet


40 posted on 11/20/2009 8:42:34 AM PST by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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I love the smell of Chlorox clean.

I also find that 2-3 tbls in a spray filled with water is a great cleaner for everything....

another tip....to remove soap scum...use a damp dryer sheet

41 posted on 11/20/2009 8:43:09 AM PST by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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The environmental group Greenpeace is lauding Clorox for eliminating risk from the use and transport of chlorine. “By ending the use of chlorine gas, Clorox also proves that eliminating these risks is both technically feasible and a smart business decision,” says Rick Hind, Greenpeace’s legislative director.

I'm not an industrial chemist but it sounds to me like all Chlorox is doing is making one or more of their suppliers assume the risk of using and transporting chlorine gas.

Pretty cagey financial decision, if they can pull it off.

It also keeps the Chlorox brand name out of the news in the event of something bad happening.

42 posted on 11/20/2009 8:45:32 AM PST by magslinger (Cry MALAISE! and let slip the dogs of incompetence.)
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