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Senator Lieberman has said so many times, very clearly, and very adamantly that he is going to filibuster an end for the debate as long as it has any form of public option and he also said many times that he was going to vote to allow the start of the debate as he did today.

People need to understand something about LIEberman. He has a history throughout his career of claiming to take one position on an issue while supporting an entirely different position. It is how he was reelected. He just pulled the same stunt by supporting cloture and people are falling for his act just as they did during his last campaign.

Beyond that point, people need to apply some common sense. When given the chance to kill the bill by merely voting against cloture or allowing it to proceed only to face the much more arduous task of spending several hours speaking on the Senate floor to kill the bill, which one would a reasonable and prudent person choose? A prudent person would reasonably choose the former.

People need to also remember the purpose of cloture is to end or prevent debate. Reid wanted cloture for this purpose knowing the more debate the worse it is to pass socialist health care. Given this fact, he wouldn't have pushed for cloture if he didn't already have a plan in mind to severely restrict debate at the next step in the process.

This whole process doesn't pass the smell test. Something doesn't add up. We've seen some slick maneuvering to bribe Senators into supporting cloture. More behind the scene slick maneuvering will occur to prevent any in-depth analysis and everyone will wonder how could this happen all over again. Assuming otherwise is being naive. Make no mistake this was far more than just a procedural vote. It was confirmation there is enough support the bill all through the process.

I agree. This is going to pass in one form or another. All the rats have to do is lay the foundation with this bill, we’ve seen how that works with every big government bill that’s passed since Wilson. Once the groundwork is laid, there’s no stopping the expansion, through a “tweak” here and a new-found “right” there.