Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Rep. Patrick Kennedy says RI bishop has told him not to take Communion over pro-choice stance
Star Tribune ^ | November 22, 2009 | Ray Henry

Posted on 11/22/2009 5:35:40 AM PST by NYer

PROVIDENCE, R.I. - Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin has banned Rep. Patrick Kennedy from receiving Communion, the central sacrament of the church, in Rhode Island because of the congressman's support for abortion rights, Kennedy said in a newspaper interview published Sunday.

The decision by the outspoken prelate, reported on The Providence Journal's Web site, significantly escalates a bitter dispute between Tobin, an ultra orthodox bishop, and Kennedy, a son of the nation's most famous Roman Catholic family.

"The bishop instructed me not to take Communion and said that he has instructed the diocesan priests not to give me Communion," Kennedy told the paper in an interview conducted Friday.

Kennedy said the bishop had explained the penalty by telling him "that I am not a good practicing Catholic because of the positions that I've taken as a public official," particularly on abortion.

He declined to say when or how Tobin told him not to take the sacrament. And he declined to say whether he has obeyed the bishop's injunction.

The paper said the bishop's spokesman declined to address the question of whether he had told Kennedy not to receive Communion. But the bishop's office cast doubt on Kennedy's related assertion about instructions to state priests.

"Bishop Tobin has never addressed matters relative to public officials receiving Holy Communion with pastors of the diocese," spokesman Michael K. Guilfoyle told the paper in an e-mailed statement.

Kennedy did not return messages left on his cell phone by The Associated Press, and his staff refused to make the congressman available for comment. Tobin's spokesman told the AP that the bishop would not comment on the issue.

Church law permits Tobin to ban Kennedy from receiving Communion within the Diocese of Providence, which covers Rhode Island, but he cannot stop Kennedy from receiving Communion elsewhere. It was unclear whether bishops overseeing Washington and

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicpoliticians; duplicate; kennedy; kennedyfamily; patrickkennedy; religiousleft; ri
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-63 next last

1 posted on 11/22/2009 5:35:44 AM PST by NYer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Bishop Thomas Tobin

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


2 posted on 11/22/2009 5:37:10 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Finally!!!!


3 posted on 11/22/2009 5:38:03 AM PST by homegroan (Proud to be a Palinite!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NYer
Well, shut up about it Patrick and get your soul right with God!

(Oh, I forgot. Another cafeteria-style 'catholic.'

4 posted on 11/22/2009 5:42:47 AM PST by IbJensen (America being militarily and economically strong isn't enough: We must be morally strong!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

This Bishop is truly a man of God. If only we had more like him.


5 posted on 11/22/2009 5:42:47 AM PST by YankeeReb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

If everyone who was pro-choce and/or uses contraceptives stayed away from church, their membership would be zip.


6 posted on 11/22/2009 5:42:47 AM PST by Sacajaweau
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
"The bishop instructed me not to take Communion

"... whatever... you know... that means, in Priest-speak. Cripes, I'm so freakin' hung over, most Sunday mornings, I can practically see Mary Jo wavin' at me from the bar stool a good two, three waitresses over, an'... an'... hey, you gonna eat that onion? I haven't had any breakfast yet." ;)

7 posted on 11/22/2009 5:42:58 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I’m confused on this one.

What purpose did Kennedy have in revealing this in a newspaper article? Since the bishop isn’t talking, how do we know its even true?

Second, the story says that the bishop is “ultra orthodox”. What does the “ultra” mean. Someone is either orthodox or heterodox, what does the modifier “ultra” really indicate about Tobin.


8 posted on 11/22/2009 5:43:13 AM PST by I_Like_Spam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: NYer
FTA: ...Tobin, an ultra orthodox bishop, and Kennedy, a son of the nation's most famous Roman Catholic family.
Should read: Tobin, an honorable, practicing Catholic and Kennedy, son of a recently heaven-denied murderer, serial philanderer, alcoholic and socialist, who was the leader of a family that made it's fortune breaking the law, stealing from the public treasury and attempting to enslave a free people and an entire nation.

9 posted on 11/22/2009 5:43:43 AM PST by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau
If everyone who was pro-choce and/or uses contraceptives stayed away from church, their membership would be zip.

Sounds like the logic of the GOP. If we get rid of the RINOs we'd never win elections. Maybe in the short run, but I have to believe we'd attract new people of good conscience.

10 posted on 11/22/2009 5:45:22 AM PST by YankeeReb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau
If everyone who was pro-choce(sic)...

I believe God would prefer it that way Saca. Making a mockery of His Church on Earth would be a travesty and receiving communion would be compounding mortal sin.

11 posted on 11/22/2009 5:45:36 AM PST by IbJensen (America being militarily and economically strong isn't enough: We must be morally strong!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: homegroan

PROVIDENCE, R.I. - Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin has banned Rep. Patrick Kennedy from receiving Communion, the central sacrament of the church, in Rhode Island because of the congressman’s support for abortion rights

FINALLY some spine.

You cannot abort the innocents, Patrick, and accept the eucharist.


12 posted on 11/22/2009 5:46:10 AM PST by omega4179 (0 is an embarrassment to us all.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: NYer

About damned time.

I hope the rest of the Church hierarchy gets some stones and does this with Kerry, Pelosi, et al.


13 posted on 11/22/2009 5:46:38 AM PST by x1stcav (Charter member of the Yukon Army..)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: NYer

It is about time that more of these Catholic leaders stand up this way.


14 posted on 11/22/2009 5:47:10 AM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau

Thats like saying if all the honest people stayed out of government their membership would be zip.


15 posted on 11/22/2009 5:47:42 AM PST by omega4179 (0 is an embarrassment to us all.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Newsmax.com

Religious Leaders Call for Civil Disobedience if Laws Don’t Respect Faith

Saturday, November 21, 2009 2:52 PM

A formidable coalition of 150 Catholic, Orthodox and evangelical leaders are calling on Christians in a new manifesto to reject secular authority – and even engage in civil disobedience – if laws force them to accept abortion, same-sex marriage and other ideas that betray their religious beliefs. ...

excerpt

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/wuerl_colson_christian/2009/11/21/289471.html


16 posted on 11/22/2009 5:47:50 AM PST by KeyLargo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: YankeeReb
If everyone who was pro-choce and/or uses contraceptives stayed away from church, their membership would be zip.

This is not about everyone; it is about a political figure from a prominent family. He and other CINO politicians create scandal when they receive communion.

17 posted on 11/22/2009 5:48:09 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Most of the Kennedys don.t follow the rules of the Catholic Church, according to all reports.

This Kennedy is no exception and some one poured chlorine in the gene pool of the Kennedys prior to this guy’s Birth.


18 posted on 11/22/2009 5:49:33 AM PST by chatham
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau
If everyone who was pro-choce and/or uses contraceptives stayed away from church, their membership would be zip.

Not being Catholic, I have no "dog" in this fight, personally... but: c'mon. Either Man changes at the behest of the Church, or the Church changes at the behest of Man. And I'm reasonably certain the Bible leans decidedly towards the former, rather than the latter. ;)

19 posted on 11/22/2009 5:50:20 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: homegroan

Well good on this. About time the Catholic clergy take a stand.


20 posted on 11/22/2009 5:50:32 AM PST by Fishtalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: I_Like_Spam

This story began several weeks ago when Bishop Tobin invited Rep. Kennedy to a private meeting to discuss his stance on abortion. At that time, he was issued a warning - in private. Kennedy went public. Why? Ask Kennedy.


21 posted on 11/22/2009 5:51:06 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau
If everyone who was pro-choce and/or uses contraceptives stayed away from church, their membership would be zip.

Go to any good Bible-search site (www.Biblegateway.com is a good choice) and search for the word 'remnant'. Probably best to limit the version to the KJV. It has always been God's observation that most people will, given the choice, opt away from eternal life after death for pleasure and self-satisfaction in this life.

22 posted on 11/22/2009 5:52:42 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (I'm still waiting for Dear Leader to say something that isn't a lie)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: IbJensen

I wish the rest of the cafeteria catholics would leave the church. Hypocrites!!!


23 posted on 11/22/2009 5:53:14 AM PST by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: NYer
"The bishop instructed me not to take Communion and said that he has instructed the diocesan priests not to give me Communion," Kennedy told the paper in an interview conducted Friday.

"Bishop Tobin has never addressed matters relative to public officials receiving Holy Communion with pastors of the diocese," spokesman Michael K. Guilfoyle told the paper in an e-mailed statement.

This sounds more like a typical Kennedy Klan half-truth uttered by Patrick and calculated to cast himself as a victim and gain undeserved public sympathy. He clearly didn't expect anyone from the diocese to speak out and refute his lie publicly.
.

24 posted on 11/22/2009 5:54:31 AM PST by Iron Munro (I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take another beating.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Macoozie

Much better and far more accurate!


25 posted on 11/22/2009 5:54:37 AM PST by Just A Nobody ( (Better Dead than RED! NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Macoozie; Just A Nobody

“Should read: Tobin, an honorable, practicing Catholic and Kennedy, son of a recently heaven-denied murderer, serial philanderer, alcoholic and socialist, who was the leader of a family that made it’s fortune breaking the law, stealing from the public treasury and attempting to enslave a free people and an entire nation. “

What a literary repair job!!


26 posted on 11/22/2009 6:01:01 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: stephenjohnbanker

Hopefully he and Ted can have a reunion and discuss old times.


27 posted on 11/22/2009 6:02:53 AM PST by sport
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: I_Like_Spam
Dear I_Like_Spam,

“What does the ‘ultra’ mean.”

That means, not only is the bishop orthodox, but the writer also dislikes him intensely.


sitetest

28 posted on 11/22/2009 6:04:02 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: sport

Down below......


29 posted on 11/22/2009 6:06:41 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Thank you, Heavenly Father for giving us Bishops with a backbone!!!


30 posted on 11/22/2009 6:08:52 AM PST by TheStickman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: YankeeReb
Maybe in the short run, but I have to believe we'd attract new people of good conscience.

Wait a minute...your argument is you would prefer a church that attracts people that don't have sex?

The point is he GLORIFIES abortion!

31 posted on 11/22/2009 6:10:35 AM PST by Ganndy (back to Lurking...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: I_Like_Spam
What purpose did Kennedy have in revealing this in a newspaper article? Since the bishop isn’t talking, how do we know its even true?

Who knows with that drug addled mind of Kennedy's. Best guess is that, since everything's about him, and he really doesn't get any of this at all, he thinks he can wear this as some sort of badge of honor to be "persecuted" for his *cough* principled stand.

Second, the story says that the bishop is “ultra orthodox”. What does the “ultra” mean. Someone is either orthodox or heterodox, what does the modifier “ultra” really indicate about Tobin.

IMHO, the word indicates more about the author of the piece than Tobin. I take it to be intended as a perjorative. Much like a judge who follows the Constitution is considered an extremist by media standards, a Catholic bishop who actually follows church canon has to be some sort of nut. Implied: Kennedy's abortion stance isn't the problem, it's this wild-eyed bishop causing all the problems. By suggesting that Tobin's an extremist, out of the mainstream of Catholic thought, Kennedy is cast as the victim, not really at odds with Catholicism at all, just this one bishop's hair-splitting fanaticism.

32 posted on 11/22/2009 6:15:45 AM PST by Eroteme
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Iron Munro

You are correct.

Anyone who promotes, participates and encourages and now will government fund abortion is excommunicated ipso facto.

Divorced and remarried Catholics cannot receive The Eucharist.

Those in the state of mortal (grievous sin) cannot receive The Eucharist.

The Bishop has tried to talk with him about the gravity of the state of his soul. Obviously Kennedy refused to convert to the teaching of the Church.

By barring him from receiving The Eucharist, if Kennedy persists in receiving after being warned about the state of his soul, he brings more judgement on himself.

I agree that he is playing his “victim” card.

Let us all pray for his conversion and give thanks that his Bishop took the time to counsel him privately and now publicly as so many have been publicly scandalized by Kennedy’s arrogance in his very uncatholic behavior.


33 posted on 11/22/2009 6:18:22 AM PST by victim soul
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Amen, Now what about the OTHERS like Pelosi!


34 posted on 11/22/2009 6:21:38 AM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Ganndy
Wait a minute...your argument is you would prefer a church that attracts people that don't have sex?

The point is he GLORIFIES abortion!

No not people that don't have sex, but people who accept the consequences for their actions. I think we're in agreement and maybe I stated it badly, but IMHO abortion is not an acceptable response, once a baby is involved you have the choice of either keeping it or giving it up for adoption, (other than rare cases).

35 posted on 11/22/2009 6:29:59 AM PST by YankeeReb
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: jafojeffsurf

Others like Health and Human Services K.S. and John Kerry. Making sure we all support abortion with tax dollars is evil.


36 posted on 11/22/2009 6:31:22 AM PST by oldironsides
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: NYer

One could only wish that his Mother had exercised the abortion option.


37 posted on 11/22/2009 6:38:05 AM PST by mortal19440
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Fishtalk

Absolutely right... and it’s also about time the Church requires that these liberal scumbags who call themselves Catholics choose their true religion... liberalism or Catholicism.


38 posted on 11/22/2009 6:44:30 AM PST by Common Sense 101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau
If everyone who was pro-choce(sic) and/or uses contraceptives stayed away from church, their membership would be zip.

Bravo Sierra, ignoramus.

39 posted on 11/22/2009 6:49:16 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: YankeeReb
This Bishop is truly a man of God. If only we had more like him.

What do you know about Tobin's stance on illegal immigrants and the arrest and deportation of same?

40 posted on 11/22/2009 6:51:30 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Good.


41 posted on 11/22/2009 6:51:48 AM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jafojeffsurf
Open Letter to Nancy Pelosi
42 posted on 11/22/2009 6:58:16 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: mortal19440

Not so. It’s God who created this clueless young Kennedy’s life. Kennedy’s gone badly astray. But he can still repent and start walking toward the destination for which he was created: grace, a life well lived, and a vast eternity of joy.


43 posted on 11/22/2009 7:25:26 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: I_Like_Spam
Plus there's this, from the clueless author quoted in the article, Michael Sean Winters: "It's really bad theology," said Winters, who opposes abortion. "You're turning the altar rail into a battle field, a political battlefield no less, and it does a disservice to the Eucharist."

Winters is exactly and precisely wrong. Bishop Tobin is obliged by law to deny Holy Communion to an impenitent man in Kennedy's position (Canon 915 --- Google that ---uses the word "must"), and this is what the Church calls a "medicinal penalty" because it is intended to make a desperately sick soul aware that repentance is urgently needed.

Bishop Tobin's action was an act of kindness and diligent pastoral care. Mindful of Corinthians 11:17, he knows that for Kennedy to receive under these circumstances would be like letting him eat spiritual cyanide. He would be eating and drinking his own condemnation.

44 posted on 11/22/2009 7:27:48 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau; NYer
"If everyone who was pro-choce and/or uses contraceptives stayed away from church, their membership would be zip Catholic."

There, fixed it for ya.

45 posted on 11/22/2009 7:29:31 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Point of clarification.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: YankeeReb

“Sounds like the logic of the GOP. If we get rid of the RINOs we’d never win elections. Maybe in the short run, but I have to believe we’d attract new people of good conscience.”

If you haven’t noticed were in the short run and if you don’t understand the difference between this and what a RINO is...


46 posted on 11/22/2009 7:58:40 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (How long before we are forced to refresh the Tree of Liberty? Sic semper tryannis)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Sacajaweau
If everyone who was pro-choce and/or uses contraceptives stayed away from church, their membership would be zip.

They'd still have me and my family so, that is greater than zero so, you are wrong.

47 posted on 11/22/2009 8:04:47 AM PST by frogjerk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: All
ABOUT TIME!!!! 2+2=4

How is it possible that an active, "in good standing" Catholic - IN A POSITION OF POWER - is given communion by a PRIEST knowing this person is committing the MORTAL SIN of actively creating or supporting policies that kill unborn babies??????

DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE?... No, it doesn't!

The same thing should be done with all the other so call "Catholics" in PUBLIC OFFICE who do the same thing.

48 posted on 11/22/2009 8:13:17 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: All
..Religious Leaders Call for Civil Disobedience if Laws Don’t Respect Faith...

THIS IS FANTASTIC!...bold and courageous. Actions speak louder than words

49 posted on 11/22/2009 8:18:46 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: NYer

I think we will see more Catholic Bishops mirrorig Bishop Thomas Tobin.

It only takes one to get it started. Expect more.


50 posted on 11/22/2009 8:20:52 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-63 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson