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To: Zuben Elgenubi

www.ammoman.com if you want to buy case lots.

Dont use it for self defense though..unless you shoot for the head, if the goblin is wearing a leather jacket hes liable to turn your scattergun into a giant suppository for you..if you get my meaning.


26 posted on 11/22/2009 3:21:49 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Armedanddangerous; Zuben Elgenubi

Follow buckshot to the upper-middle thorax/neck, groin or armpits with a slug or two if laying lower than the attacker. That should do it with a .410. New Maverick (Mossberg) 12 gauges are pretty cheap and hold up well. With those, you can follow 00 buck loads with hardened big game slugs to handle just about any likely defense situation.


47 posted on 11/22/2009 4:05:38 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Armedanddangerous
Dont use it for self defense though..unless you shoot for the head, if the goblin is wearing a leather jacket hes liable to turn your scattergun into a giant suppository for you..if you get my meaning.

Muzzle velocity of 3" .410 000 buck (5 pellets) is around 1135 fps. Each of these weighs 70 grains, and is .36" in diameter.

That will not have the perp getting anywhere near your shotgun if you get the pattern centered on him, leather jacket or not.

Slugs are also "interesting"

Remington 87.5 (1/5 oz) grain .410 Slugs Velocity & Energy Muzzle: 1,830 fps & 650 ft./lbs. 50 yards: 1,335 fps & 345 ft./lbs. 100 yards: 1,040 fps & 210 ft./lbs. That's faster than most pistol bullets, and the slug *will* penetrate and expand.

There is also a 1/4 oz (109 grain) slug , with muzzle velocity of 781 fps

71 posted on 11/22/2009 10:00:47 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Armedanddangerous
Dont use it for self defense though..unless you shoot for the head, if the goblin is wearing a leather jacket hes liable to turn your scattergun into a giant suppository for you..if you get my meaning.

Muzzle velocity of 3" .410 000 buck (5 pellets) buck is around 1135 fps. That will not have the perp getting anywhere near your shotgun if you get the pattern centered on him, leather jacket or not.

Slugs are also "interesting"

Remington 87.5 (1/5 oz) grain .410 Slugs Velocity & Energy Muzzle: 1,830 fps & 650 ft./lbs. 50 yards: 1,335 fps & 345 ft./lbs. 100 yards: 1,040 fps & 210 ft./lbs. That's faster than most pistol bullets, and the slug *will* penetrate and expand.

There is also a 1/4 oz (109 grain) slug , with muzzle velocity of 781 fps

72 posted on 11/22/2009 10:05:30 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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