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Climategate: They have lost the data upon which the theory of global warming is based
Beaufort Observer ^ | 11-30-2009 | Web Editor, Beaufort Observer

Posted on 11/30/2009 1:41:29 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo

they knew it was lost years ago but failed to disclose it

In what is turning out to be the most astounding farce of our generation, the University of East Anglia's (UEA) Climatic Research Unit (CRU) has disclosed that it "threw away" the data upon which the predictions of global warming are based.

The Times of London is reporting that the disclosure was made by the CRU in response to requests for the data under the Freedom of Information Act. When pushed for it they could not produce the original data. All they have is the "adjusted" data that they have used to "prove" the earth is warming.

Not having the original data means that other scientist cannot verify the accuracy of the "adjusted" data nor the conclusions drawn from the data. Thus the models used to predict future climate cannot be proven correct.

Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University, discovered data had been lost when he asked for original records. "The CRU is basically saying, 'Trust us'. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science," he said.

What makes the "loss" of the data even more alarming is the fact that the CRU knew years ago that the data did not exist. Yet they did not disclose it but continued to insist, as recently as last week, that it was "proprietary" and thus not subject to the FIA.

Thus the simple fact of the matter is that the "science" upon which all of the hype that has been created about global warming is based on non-peer reviewed science, generally making it meaningless unless it can be replicated by other scientists. None have done so.

The "science" of global warming was on tenuous ground to begin with. That is so because we do not have accurate data points that go back thousands of years. What they did was look at secondary affect, such as ice bores, tree rings and other secondary indications to conclude which geologic periods were colder than others. Then they took the data points they "did" have for the past 150 years (the data that is now missing) and developed models projecting both backward and forward. They compared the retrospective models to the secondary observations they had to "validate" the models. Based on those assumptions they projected how much global warming there would be in the future, depending on such things as carbon dioxide levels in each period. But without the data the models are invalid and thus the predictions about future global warming have no factual basis in legitimate science.

This could well explain why the models say that with the current level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere the average global temperature should be increasing. In reality it is decreasing. This was one of the points made in the hacked emails...that the scientists who claim the earth is warming could not account for the fact that it is actually cooling.

Now we know why.

To read more click here.

But in what could be even more ominous some blogs have published data from some of the hacked emails that show graphs that extend until last year. If these graphs indeed are correct and contained original data that CRU is now saying was destroyed years ago then we have yet another scandal on our hands. But what remains unknown at this time is whether the 2008 graphs were based on the original data or on the "altered" data. We'll leave that to you to judge: click here.

And in a related matter the Detroit News is reporting that the head "scientist" at the CRU has pulled in $22.6 million in grants since 1990.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agw; climategate; hadleycru
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Well, anybody can make a little clerical error.

Never can have too many articles about the Big Lie.

1 posted on 11/30/2009 1:41:30 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo; Thunder90; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; Nervous Tick; 4horses+amule; WL-law; ..
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 11/30/2009 1:43:40 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Headline is way too forgiving. Describing the data as “lost” implies an accidental cause. I think it’s obvious that the data, what little they had that supported their predetermined conclusion, was intentionally destroyed.

A forensic investigation on the hard drive(s) that stored the original data would be very interesting.


3 posted on 11/30/2009 1:47:03 AM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

I don’t believe it would have ever been lost had it unambiguously proven their case.

It was lost on purpose because it would destroy their case.


4 posted on 11/30/2009 1:56:14 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

CRU, STOP Eco Fascism!


5 posted on 11/30/2009 1:56:58 AM PST by Wiz
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To: Bon mots
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6 posted on 11/30/2009 2:09:39 AM PST by spokeshave (Albore can uninvent the internet about as well as 0bama can unjump the shark)
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To: Terpfen

Makes one wonder how many other scams have been perpetrated upon the free world, doesn’t it?


7 posted on 11/30/2009 2:10:55 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jazzlite

Well, we know of quite a bit. AIDS “relief funding,” for example.


8 posted on 11/30/2009 2:12:37 AM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Climategate: They have lost the data upon which the theory of global warming is based

As the "Church Lady" used to say on SNL..., "How Convenient!"

9 posted on 11/30/2009 2:14:32 AM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Terpfen

A forensic investigation of the hard drive(s) that contained the original data is completely justified.


10 posted on 11/30/2009 2:28:13 AM PST by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: kidd

... and the dog ate my homework.


11 posted on 11/30/2009 2:34:22 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Sarah Palin - For such a time as this)
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To: kidd

The original data was hard copy, all pre-computer going back 175 years or so.


12 posted on 11/30/2009 2:43:48 AM PST by spokeshave (Albore can uninvent the internet about as well as 0bama can unjump the shark)
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To: spokeshave

> The original data was hard copy, all pre-computer going back 175 years or so.
And that implies that it has been shredded or burned on purpose. There was no “oops, I accidentally hit the delete key”.


13 posted on 11/30/2009 2:56:04 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Ali Obama and the 40 Czars.)
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To: kidd; Terpfen

The claim is that the original data was on dead trees and magnetic tape (nine track) that were discarded because they were too bulky to retain, only the “adjusted” data was retained.

Even if the “adjustment” was a mere units conversion, from fahrenheit to celius, for instance, one would think that it behooves them to keep some record of the original data. The hacked emails certainly makes one suspect that the “adjustments” many not have been performed in a neutral or unbiased manner.


14 posted on 11/30/2009 2:56:41 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The CRU needs adult supervision.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
If a Junior High kid said they lost their data for their JH science project they'd get an F...and these bozos are trying to claim they are real scientists and that we should destroy the economies of the world based upon their fraudulent “science”?!
15 posted on 11/30/2009 2:56:59 AM PST by highlander_UW (To anger a conservative tell him a lie. To anger a liberal tell him the truth.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Latest Weather Channel headline 11/30/09:
COLOSTOMY OF GORES’S ANUS REVEALS ONLY GORE’S GLOBAL FLATULENCE (HOT AIR)... MANY LIBERALS DISTRESSED!


16 posted on 11/30/2009 3:14:11 AM PST by rusureitflies? (OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD! There, I said it. Prove me wrong.)
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To: highlander_UW
If a Junior High kid said they lost their data for their JH science project they'd get an F...and these bozos are trying to claim they are real scientists and that we should destroy the economies of the world based upon their fraudulent “science”?!

Forgetting about the weighty consequences of this pseudoscientific nonsense, the absurdity of the lies are worth a good laugh. I remember getting in trouble with the principal in 9th grade for habitually misplacing and forgetting to bring my homework to school. Little did I know that I thus had the qualifications to become a "respected climate scientist"!

17 posted on 11/30/2009 3:17:08 AM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, I am the great and powerful OZ!!!”


18 posted on 11/30/2009 3:21:34 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

bump


19 posted on 11/30/2009 3:22:42 AM PST by Billg64 (It is my belief that this is our last opportunity to peacefully protect our republic.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"The original data was hard copy, all pre-computer going back 175 years or so."

Making at least parts of it valuable antiques of historical significance. Losing it makes no sense or suggests that these people are too careless to be trusted with significant work.

20 posted on 11/30/2009 3:25:25 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama: The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)
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