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Live Thread: Barack Obama Afghan Speech 8 p.m. EST - "Hello I Must Be Going"
Tuesday, December 1, 2009 | Kristinn

Posted on 12/01/2009 3:54:38 PM PST by kristinn

Live from New York...it's Barack Obama!

On the banks of the Hudson River at West Point, Obama will give his military strategy for Afghanistan, based on the tactical genius of Capt. Spaulding, aka Groucho Marx:

Hello, I Must Be Going

Oh dear, he is coming, At last he's here.

(Spaulding) Hello, I must be going, I cannot stay, I came to say, I must be going. I'm glad I came, but just the same I must be going. La La.

(Mrs. Rittenhouse) For my sake you must stay. If you should go away, You'd spoil this party I am throwing.

(Spaulding) I'll stay a week or two, I'll stay the summer thru, But I am telling you, I must be going.

(All) Before you go, Will you oblige us, And tell us of your deeds so glowing?

(Spaulding) I'll do anything you say, In fact I'll even stay!

(All) Good!

(Spaulding) But I must be going.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; escalate; grouchomarx; helloimustbegoing; novictory; obama; obamaswar; oef; oefsurge; traitor; treason; usma; weak
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To: Indy Pendance
Urban America doesn’t control America. We do, us flyover people, the millions of us out here. Those on the mall were a tiny percentage of those who wanted to be there.

whatever it was on 9-12 is still a small percentage of the whole country is it not? marching and going to tea parties does not take back the country. I am not sure what "we" you are referring to. Yes urban America does carry a huge amount of power because that is where huge numbers of democrat voters reside.

"we" (as in America) elected Obama. We are outnumbered. While I haven't given up I disagree with your post that America will not stand for this etc. Most of America will indeed tolerate this stuff and are tolerating it. Obama's poll numbers are still around 50% after all this onslaught. So we have much much more work to do.

I do wish you well and thank you for serving our country!

781 posted on 12/01/2009 8:21:15 PM PST by plain talk
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To: TigersEye

I know how frustrated you are. That is no excuse to call your intellectual superior “ ignorant” . Actually I’m dancing circles around you that you never knew. I hate to do that again but you can take it. There was no “state of war” with Iraq in 2003. You forgot that the war was 12 year earlier , didn’t you? WE left in 1991!!!


782 posted on 12/01/2009 8:21:44 PM PST by londonfog
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To: Peter Horry

Can’t see me can you?


783 posted on 12/01/2009 8:22:45 PM PST by londonfog
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To: SoCalPol

What have you done -— personally, to compensate for your “dumb ass”?


784 posted on 12/01/2009 8:26:02 PM PST by londonfog
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To: Peter Horry; londonfog
londonfog is a complete loon. Check some of his posting history.

Palin supporters don't have a clue

Lou Dobbs is our savior. Let Palin go third party

She is a light weight and a quitter, she is finished

She is a great wonderful conservative [what the hell?]

And you think Ms Pink is the answer?? I assure you that that the next ten years will result in a million deaths by people fighting for food!!! We need a HITTER not a QUITTER!!!! You are kidding — right?

If that's not enough take a look at this looney little exchange.

I don’t give a tinkers damn what Israel does or doesn’t do.

785 posted on 12/01/2009 8:26:09 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for all that work. I really appreciate that compliment.


786 posted on 12/01/2009 8:27:28 PM PST by londonfog
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To: londonfog
Yeah .. he was a real sweetheart, wasn't he? .. /S ... Might want to check your facts.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

How Many People Has Saddam Killed?
In Stalin's Footsteps
(As of 2003)

Excerpt:

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Where the comparison seems closest is in the regime's mercilessly sadistic character. Iraq has its gulag of prisons, dungeons and torture chambers — some of them acknowledged, like Abu Ghraib, and as many more disguised as hotels, sports centers and other innocent-sounding places.

It has its overlapping secret-police agencies, and its culture of betrayal, with family members denouncing each other, and offices and factories becoming hives of perfidy.

"Enemies of the state" are eliminated, and their spouses, adult children and even cousins are often tortured and killed along with them.

Mr. Hussein even uses Stalinist maxims, including what an Iraqi defector identified as one of the dictator's favorites: "If there is a person, then there is a problem. If there is no person, then there is no problem."

There are rituals to make the end as terrible as possible, not only for the victims but for those who survive. After seizing power in July 1979, Mr. Hussein handed weapons to surviving members of the ruling elite, then joined them in personally executing 22 comrades who had dared to oppose his ascent.

The terror is self-compounding, with the state's power reinforced by stories that relatives of the victims pale to tell — of fingernail-extracting, eye-gouging, genital-shocking and bucket-drowning.

Secret police rape prisoners' wives and daughters to force confessions and denunciations. There are assassinations, in Iraq and abroad, and, ultimately, the gallows, the firing squads and the pistol shots to the head.

DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture.

The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000.

Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 — surely a gross exaggeration — but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait.

In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.

Casualties from Iraq's gulag are harder to estimate. Accounts collected by Western human rights groups from Iraqi émigrés and defectors have suggested that the number of those who have "disappeared" into the hands of the secret police, never to be heard from again, could be 200,000.

As long as Mr. Hussein remains in power, figures like these will be uncheckable, but the huge toll is palpable nonetheless.

Just as in Stalin's Russia, the machinery of death is mostly invisible, except for the effects it works on those brushed by it — in the loss of relatives and friends, and in the universal terror that others have of falling into the abyss.

If anybody wants to know what terror looks like, its face is visible every day on every street of Iraq.

"Minders," the men who watch visiting reporters day and night, are supposedly drawn from among the regime's harder men. But even they break down, hands shaking, eyes brimming, voices desperate, when reporters ask ordinary Iraqis edgy questions about Mr. Hussein.

"You have killed me, and killed my family," one minder said after a photographer for The New York Times made unauthorized photographs of an exhibition of statues of the Iraqi dictator during a November visit to Baghdad's College of Fine Arts.

In recent years, the inexorable nature of Iraq's horrors have been demonstrated by new campaigns bearing the special hallmark of Mr. Hussein. In 1999, a complaint about prison overcrowding led to an instruction from the Iraqi leader for a "prison cleansing" drive. This resulted, according to human rights groups, in hundreds, and possibly thousands, of executions.

Using a satanic arithmetic, prison governors worked out how many prisoners would have to be hanged to bring the numbers down to stipulated levels, even taking into account the time remaining in the inmates' sentences.

As 20 and 30 prisoners at a time were executed at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, warders trailed through cities like Baghdad, "selling" exemption from execution to shocked families, according to people in Iraq who said they had spoken to relatives of those involved. Bribes of money, furniture, cars and even property titles brought only temporary stays.

More recently, according to Iraqis who fled to Jordan and other neighboring countries, scores of women have been executed under a new twist in a "return to faith" campaign proclaimed by Mr. Hussein.

Aimed at bolstering his support across the Islamic world, the campaign led early on to a ban on drinking alcohol in public. Then, some time in the last two years, it widened to include the public killing of accused prostitutes.

Often, the executions have been carried out by the Fedayeen Saddam, a paramilitary group headed by Mr. Hussein's oldest son, 38-year-old Uday.

These men, masked and clad in black, make the women kneel in busy city squares, along crowded sidewalks, or in neighborhood plots, then behead them with swords. The families of some victims have claimed they were innocent of any crime save that of criticizing Mr. Hussein.

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Halajba, the town we flew too, sits directly on the Iranian border. In fact almost a one quarter of the town is in Iran.

During the 1980s there was a conflict known as the Iran/Iraq war. This city was at the frontlines of this battle. Historically speaking the Kurdish people have been oppressed and looked down upon by their Arab counterparts in Iraq because they are not Arabic. They are different.

They are a melting pot of many different beliefs; their cultural heritage stems across every religion known to man. This diversity sets them apart and makes them great. Well Islamic Arabs known as Sunni and Shia don't have a good history of liking people who are different.

The perfect illustration of this is the fact that the Sunni and Shia can't even agree on their own religion. Minor differences between these two branches such as how many times a day they pray, certain important figures in their history, and different holidays is grounds enough for them to not even like each other.

Now the Kurds have always been at the bottom of this hierarchy; Saddam was a Sunni and for many years the Sunni Arabs had a good life. The Shia and Kurds were oppressed by this regime quite fiercely with the The Kurds receiving the brunt of it.

During the Iran/Iraq war Saddam bombed many cities like this without remorse simply because they were Kurdish. Many ruined cityscapes still litter this country side from that conflict. If that wasn't enough in 1987 Saddam organized an operation completely aimed at eradicating or otherwise imprisoning every Kurd in the country.

It began with interment into concentration style camps outside of the major cities. This was followed by the bombing of Kurdish cities.

All this climaxed in 1988 when Saddam launched a massive chemical weapons attack which left over 5,000 fatalities in Halajba alone.The final toll of Kurdish fatalities ranged from 300,000 to 500,000 killed. Thousands more wounded and imprisoned.

All this was because they were different.

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Victims of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction - toxic chemical gas: Halabja

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And he's responsible for at least one American death, that we know of: Capt. Scott Speicher, shot down on the first night of the Gulf War.

The fog in your name appears to be very appropriate.

787 posted on 12/01/2009 8:34:38 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: londonfog
How did they break the cease fire? Do you mean that 10 years after the war when we violated airspace that we took 7 years after the war— they violated the cease fire? Give me a break. You just remember this-— what is good for the goose is real good for that gander.

That pretty much cinches that you're about ten years old or a DNC volunteer. It was a CEASE FIRE. That means, hold now big concept coming your way, the war was not over. Read again, the...war...was...not...over. Now here is where you just lied. The No Fly Zones were established immediately after active combat had ceased. Here is another one of your lies. Iraq fired on U.S. and British planes on a regular basis almost from the beginning of the cease fire.

Eff the goose and eff the gander, sparky. We have not been beaten into submission and forced to sign a cease fire with anybody in the history of our country. No country, with the authority of VICTORY (screw the useless UN), can REQUIRE a no fly zone over the U.S.

788 posted on 12/01/2009 8:35:02 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: londonfog

DU obviously wasn’t working out too well for you tonight, as your hero is getting trashed over there as well. Face it, 0bama is a FAIL.


789 posted on 12/01/2009 8:35:25 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: londonfog

You’re a friggin’ idiot. Half-truths, lies, distortions and narcissistic self-proclamations of intelligence are not a winning strategy. But if that’s all you have...


790 posted on 12/01/2009 8:38:09 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: londonfog

No work at all. You know very well that I c&p it from another poster who got your number on another thread. It’s easy to spot a disruptor.


791 posted on 12/01/2009 8:40:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: STARWISE

The imbecile trolls think Sadam was doing a favor to the world killing women and children.

Here in San Diego we have over 35,000 Iraqi Chaldean Christians, there are 400 a month still settling here.
I have spoke with some and heard first hand from those who suffered Sudam’s torture


792 posted on 12/01/2009 8:42:35 PM PST by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: nascarnation

Your posts are cracking me up (many are)..as I read back through this live thread - (couldn’t stomach one second of watching the liar in chief....but the flips! Oh, the flips!

Too bad he didn’t just flip right out on national TV and be taken away in the straight jacket he needs.


793 posted on 12/01/2009 8:45:03 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: TigersEye

I sure appreciate spreading the gospel of truth. Thank you.


795 posted on 12/01/2009 8:47:30 PM PST by londonfog
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To: TigersEye

Here Kitty.


796 posted on 12/01/2009 8:48:52 PM PST by londonfog
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To: SoCalPol

I have an employee who was an Army translator in Iraq who got.. how she put it was ‘official’ letters that if she didn’t quit she and her family were getting the neck cut.

She and her husband and kids had to hide in Jordan waiting for a visa for three years, and now they all work at my place of business.


797 posted on 12/01/2009 8:49:47 PM PST by txhurl (troubling times....)
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To: londonfog

SEA KELP!


798 posted on 12/01/2009 8:50:04 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: SE Mom

ROFLMAO!!! I am so sorry I was not on this thread during the speech,.,,am laughing so hard I won’t be able to get to sleep very fast,,,

Whew. God bless those Cadets!!! Love them all!!!


799 posted on 12/01/2009 8:50:22 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

“I wish he had phoned it in. “ - LOLOL.


800 posted on 12/01/2009 8:51:36 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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