Copenhagen climate change talks must fail, says top scientist

Guardian ^ | 12/02/09 | Suzanne Goldenberg

[grey_whiskers]

Well, they spelled 'fluorine' correctly.

But I like this quote:

"The plan works as follows: Annex I or II emitters can fund “clean” projects in developing nations that “reduce” emissions that would have otherwise been created, and in return"

No wonder Obambi likes this -- it's just like "jobs created or saved."

Cheers!

[cripplecreek]

People need to stop being distracted with the scientists, they’re little fish and are already in the net but there are huge fish out there that are going unnoticed so far.

[cripplecreek]

Nice scam huh.

Reduce carbon dioxide emissions into the air by pumping toxins into the groundwater and get paid for doing so.

[penelopesire]

We need to investigate ALL OF THEM!! Goldman Sacs and GE are knee deep in this scam too!

[piasa]

2008? : (OBAMA CAMPAIGN : REPORT : GOV. JON CORZINE , FORMER CEO OF GOLDMAN-SACHS, ATTENDS MEETING — See CCX, GLOBAL WARMING / CARBON CREDITS / OFFSETS SCAM) Add on to: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2086352/posts?page=23#23
A NJ reporter was on the our local radio last night. He was reporting on a meeting Gov. Jon Corzine was in. Corzine is working Obama’s campaign. Word is Corzine is promised a high level position in the Treasury in an Obama Presidency. Corzine was former CEO of Goldman Sachs. The reporter said that Corzine told his Wall Street buddies that this financial crash will be fixed in an Obama admnistration. No details on how though.
I DO know that Maurice Strong is involved with Chicago’s Climate Exchange. Al Gore is chairman of a private equity firm called Generation Investment Management. That firm invests money from institutions and wealthy investors in companies that are going green. Generation Investment Management purchases carbon dioxide offsets. The co-founder of Generation Investment Management is former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson, who is currently the Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. Goldman Sachs bought 10% of Chicago’s Climate Exchange shares for $23 million. Chicago’s Climate Exchange owns half of the European Climate Exchange, Europe’s largest carbon trading company.
28 posted on Saturday, September 20, 2008 6:32:39 AM by Calpernia | To 23

[piasa]

Al Gore is chairman and founder of a private equity firm called Generation Investment Management (GIM). According to Gore, the London-based firm invests money from institutions and wealthy investors in companies that are going green. “Generation Investment Management, purchases — but isn’t a provider of — carbon dioxide offsets,” said spokesman Richard Campbell in a March 7 report by CNSNews.
GIM appears to have considerable influence over the major carbon-credit trading firms that currently exist: the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) in the U.S. and the Carbon Neutral Company (CNC) in Great Britain. CCX is the only firm in the U.S. that claims to trade carbon credits.
CCX owes its existence in part to the Joyce Foundation, the Chicago-based liberal foundation that provided $347,000 in grant support in 2000 for a preliminary study to test the viability of a market in carbon credits. On the CCX board of directors is the ubiquitous Maurice Strong, a Canadian industrialist and diplomat who, since the 1970s, has helped create an international policy agenda for the environmentalist movement. Strong has described himself as “a socialist in ideology, a capitalist in methodology.” His former job titles include “senior advisor” to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, “senior advisor” to World Bank President James Wolfensohn and board member of the United Nations Foundation, a creation of Ted Turner. The 78-year-old Strong is very close to Gore.
CCX has about 80 members that are self-confessed emitters of greenhouse gases. They have voluntarily committed themselves to reduce their emissions by the year 2010 to a level 6% below their emissions in 2000. CCX members include Ford Motor Company, Amtrak, DuPont, Dow Corning, American Electric Power, International Paper, Motorola, Waste Management and a smattering of other companies, along with the states of Illinois and New Mexico, seven cities and a number of universities. Presumably the members “purchase” carbon offsets on the CCX trading exchange. This means they make contributions to or investments in groups or firms that provide forms of “alternative,” “renewable” and “clean” energy.
CCX also has “participant members” that develop the carbon-offset projects. They have names like Carbon Farmers and Eco-Nomics Incorporated. Still, other participant member groups facilitate, finance and market carbon-offset projects to “sequester, destroy or displace” greenhouse gases. CCX aspires to be the New York Stock Exchange of carbon-emissions trading.
Along with Gore, the co-founder of GIM is Treasury Secretary and former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson. Last September, Goldman Sachs bought 10% of CCX shares for $23 million. CCX owns half the ECX, so Goldman Sachs has a stake there as well. ....————The Money and Connections Behind Al Gore’s Carbon Crusade
Human Events ^ | 10/03/2007 | Deborah Corey Barnes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1910887/posts

[cripplecreek]

There’s a global financial disaster coming whether this succeeds or fails. Personally I prefer the disaster that results from its failure because we can recover from it. If it succeeds it will be a disaster that just goes on forever.

[piasa]

Who is attacking the U.S.? The big casualty in this 21st century U.S. civil war is the Middle Class ...
George Soros, Al Gore, Warren Buffet, Maurice Strong
The Democrat-loving mainstream media is missing the boat on Warren Buffet’s take of America’s economic meltdown as …”a sort of economic Pearl Harbor we’re going through.”
That being the case, then surely the first question should be: “Who is attacking the U.S.?”
The billionaire’s $5 billion investment in Goldman Sachs Group Inc. at the same time he’s touting the Treasury’s $700 billion bank rescue plan, should be the tipoff.
With so many banksters and fraudsters openly treating the U.S. treasury as their private piggybank, one ponders what‘s really going on.
Is wholesale market manipulation the new al Qaeda?
(snip)-————George Soros, Maurice Strong and company redefine the Middleclass (Must read)
Canada Free Press ^ | September 26, 2008 | Judi McLeod
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2091792/posts

[piasa]

2000 : () The President of the Joyce Foundation in 2000, when the foundation made its first grant to the Climate Exchange, was Paula DiPerna, who is now [MARCH 2009] executive vice president of the Chicago Climate Exchange in charge of corporate recruitment and public policy, as well as president of CCX International. —— Obama Years Ago Helped Fund Carbon Program He Is Now Pushing Through Congress ( Cap & Tax )
Foxnews ^ | Updated March 25, 2009 | Ed Barnes , FOXNews.com
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 7:45:46 PM by Ernest_at_the_Beach

[penelopesire]

These same people set off the economic collapse last November in order to get Obama elected too. There are some very evil forces at work in this country right now.

It’s time to take our country back from these commie scumbags.

[piasa]

2000 : () In 2000, according to Joyce Foundations records, it allocated $347,600 to the J.L. Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University "to design a mid-western pilot program for the voluntary trading of carbon dioxide and other emissions that cause climate change, with the goal of answering methodological questions and resolving operational issues."
Click here to see the 2000 Joyce Foundation Annual Report.
According to the President's Letter she signed in that year's annual report, DiPerna declared that "One of our first Millennium grants supports the design of a pilot phase for a carbon dioxide emissions trading market, called the Chicago Climate Exchange. Long discussed, the ability of the marketplace to create incentives for reducing carbon dioxide emissions has not been tested."
The money went to Environmental Financial Products, LLC, a firm owned by Richard Sandor, a visiting professor at Northwestern who was formerly head of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, and today is known as one of the founding geniuses of commodity trading derivative markets.
Sandor had already gained a reputation for designing successful cap-and-trade markets for controlling emissions of sulfur dioxide, a gas that produces acid raid.
Efforts to reach Sandor, who was traveling, were unsuccessful and a list of questions for him submitted to the exchange were not answered.
--- Obama Years Ago Helped Fund Carbon Program He Is Now Pushing Through Congress ( Cap & Tax ) Foxnews ^ | Updated March 25, 2009 | Ed Barnes , FOXNews.com
Posted on Friday, November 20, 2009 7:45:46 PM by Ernest_at_the_Beach

[DoughtyOne]

I agree with you. ;-) Look, I think he’s maneuvering for position. It is interesting to see one of the most visible people admit there is any problem at all.

[DoughtyOne]

I do agree that he’s leveraging himself a new position. I also agree he is a true believer. I don’t disagree with your take on it. That or some variation that is similar is undoubtedly the case.

[Landru]

"It is interesting to see one of the most visible people admit there is any problem at all."

Motive(s) & other unseen shenanigans aside, you're spot-on. It is fascinating; especially, consider America's fascist mediots & their countless quislings have YET to 'report' word one. Good grief.

The mediot's imbeciles are steadfastly carrying the water for a fraud's that's long since blown up. LOL!!!

The *wheels* are totally off now, my friend. ;^)

[DoughtyOne]

Isn’t that the truth.

[Brugmansian]

"This is analogous to the issue of slavery faced by Abraham Lincoln or the issue of Nazism faced by Winston Churchill," he said. "On those kind of issues you cannot compromise. You can't say, let's reduce slavery, let's find a compromise and reduce it 50 percent or reduce it 40 percent."

He is insane.