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Destroyer CO, master chief removed over fraternization cases
The Virginian-Pilot ^ | 4 Dec 09 | Kate Wiltrout

Posted on 12/04/2009 11:19:01 AM PST by GATOR NAVY

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To: RWGinger
I was not being sarcastic. Having said that, I wouldn't envision a soldier receiving non-judicial punishment for being five minutes late for formation (at least the first time), but technically he or she could be. It is a violation of the UCMJ. I have given an Article 15 to a soldier who was missing (i.e. late) for an hour. Had he refused non-judicial punishment and asked for a court martial, he would have had a federal conviction on his record.

866. ART. 86. ABSENCE WITHOUT LEAVE Any member of the armed forces who, without authority-- (1) fails to go to his appointed place of duty at the time prescribed;

...and that doesn't even address the charges for missed movements, etc.

21 posted on 12/04/2009 11:56:57 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: GATOR NAVY
Did you see this when it came out? Report: Mullen Backs Women Serving on Submarines

Is Mullen one of Clinton's Admirals? He sure acts like it.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

BTW I spent my first 17 years on the surface with some of that time in the gators. Amphibious Construction Battalion Two at Little Creek, deployments on the USS Waldo County and USS Grant County and stationed aboard the USS Newport and the USS Chehalis (PG94). I, too, was lucky enough to have never had to be stationed aboard a ship with women crewmembers.

22 posted on 12/04/2009 11:58:31 AM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I understand your point but does the word criminal apply?


23 posted on 12/04/2009 12:00:45 PM PST by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
I don’t know if that was sarcastic or not but even in the military being late is NOT a criminal offense.

Try missing ship's movement. If you're late for your ship getting underway you are in a heap of trouble! The Navy takes this type of thing very seriously.

24 posted on 12/04/2009 12:01:23 PM PST by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: RWGinger
The UCMJ is a criminal code...violations of the punitive articles are criminal offenses. They may be adjudicated non-judicially, but if the soldier or the chain-of-command elects to try the offense by court martial and the soldier is found guilty, it IS a federal conviction.
25 posted on 12/04/2009 12:05:03 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: mainevet

Glad to be of help! QMC(SW)


26 posted on 12/04/2009 12:05:33 PM PST by GATOR NAVY
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To: RinaseaofDs

Can’t beat the USS Acadia (AD-42) from Gulf War I.

On 5 September 1990 the ship departed San Diego for first war-time deployment of male-female crew on a U.S. Navy combat vessel, to the Persian Gulf during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm. Just over one third of her crew were women.

In 1991, when the ship returned to San Diego from the deployment, thirty-six women were missing from the ship, the result of medical transfers for pregnancy. It was a particular embarrassment for the Navy, who had to look at the success on the battlefield of the other military branches during the Gulf War while hearing one of its vessels was derisively called ‘The Love Boat.’


27 posted on 12/04/2009 12:12:37 PM PST by Ro_Thunder ("Other than ending SLAVERY, FASCISM, NAZISM and COMMUNISM, war has never solved anything")
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To: Just another Joe

God help anyone in the military/Navy that stops to assist someone on the highway on the way to his/her ship and is late for quarters.


28 posted on 12/04/2009 12:14:46 PM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: GATOR NAVY

I’ll say you helped. Now there’s only Joe Murphy, Dave Gale, and Dan Holloway left. I love it when Zits ruin their careers.


29 posted on 12/04/2009 12:15:54 PM PST by mainevet
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To: HiramQuick
"God help anyone in the military/Navy that stops to assist someone on the highway on the way to his/her ship and is late for quarters."

I was involved in the military justice system for 10 years, both as a military police officer and as a company commander. I can assure you, that in my experience, matters of extenuation and mitigation were considered far more deliberately, and weighed much more fairly than what I observe in the civilian justice system.

30 posted on 12/04/2009 12:20:02 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: RinaseaofDs

I didn’t see anything in the article that said the sexual assaults were on females............


31 posted on 12/04/2009 12:22:58 PM PST by Red Badger (Al Gore is the Bernie Madoff of environmentalism. He belongs in jail. - Unknown Blogger)
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To: GATOR NAVY

But Hey! Ain’t it great that they are going to put women on submarines? Does any of this make sense?


32 posted on 12/04/2009 12:28:11 PM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Joe 6-pack

Naval shipboard commands are a different world ....lol

..... the old UCMJ ... penetration however slight ..... amazing how that statemement fit every article.


33 posted on 12/04/2009 12:33:26 PM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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34 posted on 12/04/2009 12:38:56 PM PST by erman
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To: HiramQuick
"Naval shipboard commands are a different world ....lol"

I would imagine they'd have to be. That being said, orders and regs are what they are for a reason, and if not upheld, they will be violated with increasing frequency. If a soldier missed a roll out for a training exercise, or even a deployment because he was running into a burning building saving children's lives, I would be recommending him for a Soldier's Medal long before I would initiate any UCMJ action. In this day; however, when virtually every swingin' richard has a cell phone, I think one would have to have a pretty damned good excuse as to why they were running late and nobody in their chain knew about it.

35 posted on 12/04/2009 12:40:12 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Ro_Thunder

My ship, USS McKee (AS-41) came back from that trip almost in the same shape. I checked on board right after the return from GWI.

Some of my unmarried friends (and a couple of married ones) enjoyed the “duty booty” in port. But most wanted nothing to do with them.


36 posted on 12/04/2009 12:42:57 PM PST by EricT. (Can we start hanging them yet?)
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To: Red Badger

I believe it goes without saying. We’re not talking about Jarheads.


37 posted on 12/04/2009 1:27:49 PM PST by mainevet
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To: truthguy
several years ago there was a report of the high numbers of pregnancies of women at sea. Have there been any follow-up studies?

If anyone doesn't understand that co-ed fighting units are compromised, don't understand about the birds and bees.

38 posted on 12/04/2009 1:30:34 PM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Thank you for explaining that. I thought at first that your were saying the military is too harsh in its punishment


39 posted on 12/04/2009 2:13:58 PM PST by RWGinger
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To: RinaseaofDs

I am so glad that my Navy days ended before coed warships. I cannot imagine the headaches involved. I was at NTC Orlando in the wake of their little scandal in the early 90’s. Human biology cannot be over-ridden with a lawful order.


40 posted on 12/04/2009 2:17:11 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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