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Huckabee Was Correct and America Needs Such Principled Leadership
American Daily Review ^ | 12/06/2009 | Yomin Postelnik

Posted on 12/05/2009 11:19:27 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik

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To: PhilDragoo

Good timing, Phil ;-)


101 posted on 12/06/2009 5:32:04 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Huck is finished for any run at 2012, I can see the DNC ad now.


102 posted on 12/06/2009 5:57:19 AM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Steve_Stifler

lol


103 posted on 12/06/2009 6:00:43 AM PST by rrrod
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To: Yomin Postelnik
I agree with you. A teenager should not get a life sentence for crimes that do not ordinarily call for it.
104 posted on 12/06/2009 6:10:18 AM PST by Tribune7 (God bless Carrie Prejean)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Chuckle-BEE is toast. As it should be.


105 posted on 12/06/2009 6:11:34 AM PST by exnavy (beware of imposters in the Whitehouse)
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To: Rastus
He got the 108 year sentence because he was convicted of eight separate felonies--including breaking into a state trooper's home

Well, that explains the sentence. Huck was right on this one.

106 posted on 12/06/2009 6:13:17 AM PST by Tribune7 (God bless Carrie Prejean)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

I like Huckabee and I’ll say it again, I would love to listen to him as a minster. Great sense of humor but nope...governing is not the way to go. Too light on the bad guys. Turning the other cheek like a robot combined with a hefty dose of PC too often gets people killed.


107 posted on 12/06/2009 6:13:32 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Principled leadership. From a man who’s record shows he’s softer on crime than a Mass. liberal. Shut up and go away, Huck.


108 posted on 12/06/2009 6:13:57 AM PST by rintense (You do not advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. ~ rintense, 2006)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Riigghhhtttt........

He bankrupted the state of Arkansas when he was Governor, raised taxes, covered up some shady dealings, pardoned over 700 criminals, many of who have repeated similar crimes or much mush worse, like this case.

Huckabee was not even a good pastor, but he blows smoke and rhetoric that only naive little old ladies, or moronic moderates would believe. Which one of these are you?

109 posted on 12/06/2009 6:23:29 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Part of the problem is that a sentence of 108 years wasn't really a sentence of 108 years. From what I've read, without the commutation to 47+ years, the murderer Clemmons would have been eligible for parole around 2015 after having served around 26 years of his sentence.

With the commutation of his sentence, he was eligible immmediately, having served around 11+ years.

Thus, in Arkansas, it appears that one must only serve around 25% of one's sentence to be eligible for parole, and to actually sentence someone to a moderately long sentence - like 25 years - a judge must give an ostensible sentence of four times that - in this example, 100 years.

And then folks say stupid things like, “It's so terrible that one would sentence a 16 year old to 100 years in prison,” when really, the net effect was to sentence the perp to 25 years in prison.

This person Clemmons, as a young man, brutally beat several people, including an old lady that he was robbing, stole large amounts of valuables and weapons, and even in custody, attempted violent crimes against prison personnel, court personnel, and credibly threatened a sitting judge.

Twenty-six years in prison doesn't seem an overly harsh sentence for someone like this at all. And it seems that a formal sentence of 108 years yielded just that - about 26 years in prison.

Gov. Huckabee’s commutation reduce his formal sentence to 47+ years, but his actual sentence to about 11 years. And that was far too short a sentence for such a violent offender.

To say otherwise is disingenuous, bordering on lying.

110 posted on 12/06/2009 6:25:05 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Eroteme

Outstanding post.


111 posted on 12/06/2009 6:44:20 AM PST by houeto (Free Republic will not support RINOS!! Rudy McRomney, et al, can go straight to hell!! -JR)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; shibumi
Since you ask - I would blame the long, boring prison sentences surrounded by hardened criminals and seek to replace that with short intense labor sentences so that it didn’t happen to others. That’s what I’d do.

GREAT news Yomin!

I am certain that with your mindset, there is a high level position in the 0bama Federal Bureau of Prisons waiting for you! Ask about posting OU812, "Prison Czar in Charge of Early Release".

Don't forget to hand out those 'Rat voter registration forms as the inmates leave the prison gates, LOL
112 posted on 12/06/2009 6:57:38 AM PST by mkjessup (The only GOOD RINO is .... wait a minute, there IS no such damn thing as a "good RINO" !!!)
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To: The Comedian
Is this the transcript of the eulogy for the murdered police officers?
"Gov. Huckabee isn’t thoughtless, callous or cruel", but he's alive, which is in rather stark contrast to everyone associated with the criminal he pardoned.


***BUMP***

THAT is a bullseye FRiend, well said!

Enjoy your week ahead!

MKJ
113 posted on 12/06/2009 7:01:58 AM PST by mkjessup (The only GOOD RINO is .... wait a minute, there IS no such damn thing as a "good RINO" !!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Huckabee is, and always has been, a con man. Today, he is just a POS.

John McCain's long lost brother, lost at birth perhaps? ;)

Hope all is good with you FRiend! :)
114 posted on 12/06/2009 7:04:48 AM PST by mkjessup (The only GOOD RINO is .... wait a minute, there IS no such damn thing as a "good RINO" !!!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

The damage is done and he’s toast. Find another candidate to back.


115 posted on 12/06/2009 7:05:15 AM PST by votemout
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To: Yomin Postelnik
The Huckster was unelectable before this situation and even more so now.

Don't even think about it, Huck!

116 posted on 12/06/2009 7:15:50 AM PST by SMM48
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To: sitetest; All
..."a sentence of 108 years wasn't really a sentence of 108 years. From what I've read, without the commutation to 47+ years, the murderer Clemmons would have been eligible for parole around 2015 after having served around 26 years of his sentence.

With the commutation of his sentence, he was eligible immmediately, having served around 11+ years.

Thus, in Arkansas, it appears that one must only serve around 25% of one's sentence to be eligible for parole, and to actually sentence someone to a moderately long sentence - like 25 years - a judge must give an ostensible sentence of four times that - in this example, 100 years.

And then folks say stupid things like, “It's so terrible that one would sentence a 16 year old to 100 years in prison,” when really, the net effect was to sentence the perp to 25 years in prison.

This person Clemmons, as a young man, brutally beat several people, including an old lady that he was robbing, stole large amounts of valuables and weapons, and even in custody, attempted violent crimes against prison personnel, court personnel, and credibly threatened a sitting judge.

Twenty-six years in prison doesn't seem an overly harsh sentence for someone like this at all. And it seems that a formal sentence of 108 years yielded just that - about 26 years in prison.

Gov. Huckabee’s commutation reduced his formal sentence to 47+ years, but his actual sentence to about 11 years. And that was far too short a sentence for such a violent offender.

To say otherwise is disingenuous, bordering on lying.


*** OUTSTANDING!!! ***

I am posting this to "all" because EVERYONE in this thread needs to read your post #110 and understand that the so-called '108 year sentence' was not at all excessive. Had the Huckster NOT reduced Clemmon's sentence, he would be getting out of the Arkansas Department of Corrections six years from now, and that would mean that four police officers would be alive and well and their families NOT mourning them this Christmas season.

Thank you Sitetest for the most important post in this thread.

117 posted on 12/06/2009 7:16:33 AM PST by mkjessup (The only GOOD RINO is .... wait a minute, there IS no such damn thing as a "good RINO" !!!)
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To: TigersEye
[I]t is a false dichotomy to blame criminal behavior on “the system.” The reason people end up in jail is as a consequence of their actions. It is bassackwards to then use those consequences as a reason to excuse even more deviant behavior.

Very well-said. Speaking of "systems", I lay the widespread inability to recognize such flaws in logic and reasoning at the feet of our schools and our media. Logic has been replaced by feelings, opinions, and impressions. It's a serious problem, and a good portion of the reason why it's increasingly difficult to counduct civil discourse and honest debate in this country.

118 posted on 12/06/2009 7:23:59 AM PST by Eroteme
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To: houeto

Thanks, houeto. I think the OP is sincere in intent, just blinded by devotion. We all have a tendency to flail and grasp at straws when faced with a terminal diagnosis of a loved one.


119 posted on 12/06/2009 7:29:20 AM PST by Eroteme
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To: sitetest

Parole isn’t automatic and would need to be earned. In any case, a 26 year sentence handed down to a teen robber is extremely severe, prevents rehabilitation and breeds career criminals.


120 posted on 12/06/2009 8:02:32 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; ColdWater
Untrue - at least read the facts before commenting. For child rape (pretrial, but evidence was ironclad), not robbery like Huckabee

How about Huckabee read the facts before he considered commuting Clemmons' sentence to just the right amount that the parole board would let him out about one month later:

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-22564-Des-Moines-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m12d4-Huckabee-is-lying-about-cop-killers-criminal-record-in-Arkansas

There were also three separate courtroom incidents in 1990 where Clemmons tried to use a weapon against a judge, threw a padlock at a bailiff, and tried to take a guard's pistol. A judge ordered Clemmons be placed in leg shackles because he felt Clemmons has threatened him. Clemmons also displayed very erratic behavior during the trial, mumbling loudly throughout the proceedings. He also made an obscene gesture toward a state trooper testifying against him. There is a definite pattern of showing a complete lack of respect, and a lot of hostility, toward authority figures.

This is prior to the 2000 commutation. Clemency or commutation should be grated when there repentance present in the individual which doesn't seem to be the case in Clemmons' case because these aren't the only instances of bad behavior for Clemmons.

121 posted on 12/06/2009 8:58:02 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Dear Yomin Postelnik,

Twenty-six years for a string of eight felonies including several VIOLENT assaults and robberies compounded by multiple acts of violence, attempts to procure or make weapons and serious threats against juducial personnel while awaiting trial, seems a little light to me, although in the ballpark.

Eleven years, however, mocks justuce, as do you and Mr. Huckabee.

Parole was not quite automatic Arkansas at the time, but nearly so. It was a matter of weeks from the commutation to the freeing of this already-vicious felon.

sitetest


122 posted on 12/06/2009 9:14:44 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: mkjessup

Thanks.


123 posted on 12/06/2009 9:34:43 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

How’s the band doing , Huck?

Nice of you to pop-up here defending your actions.

Too bad you don’t have the cahonies to attend the dead officers services... maybe even grab a mic to explain your self and how you had nothing to do with any of the events of that day.


124 posted on 12/06/2009 9:58:11 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: frogjerk

The trial judge was for the commutation - as nothing of the sort happened for 10 years since the 17 year old facing life blew up in court.

Again, once he raped the kid last May, Clemmons should have been executed, not let out pending trial. But the failure to give short stints of hard labor to young offenders (as well as first time offenders - separate from this case) is what has bred thousands of Clemmons’ and that has to stop.


125 posted on 12/06/2009 10:32:12 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
16 year olds who’ve been sentenced to life for crimes other than murder are thrown into a violent despair. That’s what more than likely led to the horrific police killings - and if we want to stop them in the future, we need to look beyond emotion and get to the real problem.

Did you even think about this response? This is so intellectually absurd you cannot possible be serious.

16 year olds sentence to LIFE do not get to commit additional crimes because they spend their lives IN PRISON, unless a Governor, like Huckabee, pardons them.

His release of this violent thug did NOTHING but PROMOT violence, it did NOTHING to curb violence.

126 posted on 12/06/2009 10:38:58 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2401600/posts?page=1

Before singing any more hymns to the Huckster you all might want to read this article.


127 posted on 12/06/2009 10:39:09 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
"Huckabee isn’t thoughtless, callous or cruel and recognizes that public service actually entails service to the public."

Oh no, not at all. Huckabee is much, MUCH worse. He's a leebral with good intentions. You know... what the road to hell is paved with. The very same 'good intentions' and liberal warm, fuzzy feeelings that prompts parole boards to allow pedaphiles back onto the streets of America every day. Pedaphiles that are known to re-offend, since they can't be rehabilitated.

Huck's a liberal schuck, IMO. And to add insult to injury, he's hiding behind the cloak of Christianity....just AS other liberals do (Rev. Sharpton, Rev. Jackson, Rev. Wright).

128 posted on 12/06/2009 10:40:35 AM PST by XenaLee (O)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Three questions are involved.

1) Does it mean Huckabee's a bad person?

No.

2) Was it the right thing to do?

It really wasn't. I can see shortening the sentence if there was going to be proper follow up -- no immediate parole, an effort to see to it that the criminal wouldn't be a danger to anyone be a danger to any one.

It's iffy, but I could understand Huckabee's action in that case. But without that kind of safeguards what he did was definitely wrong.

3) Does he deserve to be president?

On this alone, I'd say no, but I wasn't planning to vote for him any way.

In any case, I can see a parallel to Romney. Mitt is a better person than his critics give him credit for being. I'd even venture to say a better person than a lot of his critics are.

So I stick up for him against the cheap shots. I can't see abandoning him early on after giving George W. Bush so many chances to make good.

But Mitt wouldn't make a good president. The criticism has a valid point, if it doesn't degenerate into mere bashing and smears and abuse.

129 posted on 12/06/2009 10:49:33 AM PST by x
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Slick I from Hope, Arkansas,

meet Slick II from Hope, Arkansas.

I happened to watch HUCKABEE the TV show last night,
and his opening explanation about his clemency for Clemmons was SLICK.

No doubt about it, Mike Huckabee is trying to coyly orchestrate his way to the GOP nomination. He proved last night that he can out spin the meisters.

130 posted on 12/06/2009 11:05:37 AM PST by onyx
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Actually, what led to the horrific police killings is LIBERALISM. The very same liberalism that lets other convicted felons go free after serving only a minor portion of their legal sentences.

As for your statement: “Huckabee’s approach prevented much violent crime and radical Islamic recruitment. Those who criticize him promote more of the same.”

That is pure OPINION on your part. And an asinine one, at that (which is MY OPINION of your opinion), especially since it can’t be proven. Just more liberal BS from a liberal Huckabee apologist.


131 posted on 12/06/2009 11:06:19 AM PST by XenaLee (O)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
At least I put up what I call untrue. You do not even have that decency.

Here is the sequence:

You: Washington state gave him parole after he raped a child - something that no sane person, least of all Huckabee, would have done.

Me: You are incorrect. WA did NOT parole him.

You: Untrue - at least read the facts before commenting

Now, you are calling me a liar. Please provide ANY proof that WA gave him parole. Thank you.

132 posted on 12/06/2009 11:08:06 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Peter Horry

Huckabee actively sought this guys release. Without Huckabee’s intervention, he would never have gotten out of jail.


133 posted on 12/06/2009 11:09:31 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Peter Horry
It should also be recognized that people like Clemmons are experts at manpulating people like Huckabee

You got that one right. Huckabee was a sucker for felons that 'found God' in prison.

134 posted on 12/06/2009 11:10:54 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Eroteme

The liberals and indpts were never going to vote for him, and this hasn’t made that any more likely, and he has lost a good number of conservatives. The smarmy huckaphoney is even LESS electable than he was last go-round.


135 posted on 12/06/2009 11:13:32 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: onyx

There has always been an exceptionally high SMARMINESS factor about him, that’s only gotten worse with the spinning over clemmons.


136 posted on 12/06/2009 11:16:56 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

You’re so right. I’ve always found it strange Minister Huckabee decided politics was the “higher calling.”


137 posted on 12/06/2009 11:22:19 AM PST by onyx
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To: ColdWater

“Huckabee actively sought this guys release. Without Huckabee’s intervention, he would never have gotten out of jail.”

I fully understand that but it seems there is a propensity to blame only Huckabee (including by Washington). When something like this happens it normally progresses through several points where it could have been stopped, Washington had the dubious distinction of being the last. Doesn’t necessarily make them more culpable, or Huckabee less so, but it does put them right up there with him.


138 posted on 12/06/2009 11:23:45 AM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: Peter Horry

So long as he is in ANY measure culpable, and in combination with the extremely high number of clemency grants, the relevant point is that he is soft on crime and not suitable as a Republican presidential candidate. Honestly, the libs have every bit as much right to tout this as Huckabee’s willie horton, as we did to use Willie Horton on Dukakis. That’s why Huck is toast, and rightfully so.


139 posted on 12/06/2009 11:26:21 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Peter Horry
Washington was trying to respond to a transfer of Clemmons back to Arkansas when Arkansas withdrew the papers. If Arkansas had not dones this, Clemmons would have been back in an Arkansas jail.

None the less, Huckabee was the only one that went out of his way to get Clemmons back on the street.

140 posted on 12/06/2009 11:32:27 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Yomin Postelnik

It is interesting that your article closes with a lie:

“Commuting a 108 year sentence for robbery that was handed down to a youth who was 16 at the time of his crimes is an example of fairness, and of nothing else.”


141 posted on 12/06/2009 11:39:14 AM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Peter Horry

I think what sticks in the craw of many of us has been Huckabee’s absolute unwillingness to accept any personal responsibility for the role he played in the misery unleashed upon innocent people.

Is Huckabee solely responsible? Certainly not but he did get things rolling and for his part he’s only willing to point out the failures of others further down the disastrous chain of events.


142 posted on 12/06/2009 11:56:22 AM PST by Nickname (2012 - Yes You're Canned!)
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To: Politicalmom
Clemmons family also leaves a lot to be desired, since they harbored him after he massacred those police officers, aiding and abetting his getaway. They're nothing but a bunch of hoods themselves.

If Clemmons came from a law-abiding family, and he was just a "wayward youth", maybe, just maybe Huck could make a case. However, I can bet that many in Clemmons immediate family are and were felons (they are now, for sure), and I would think that a Governor would consider who the heck is going to influence this guy after he gets clemency.

But of course, Huck didn't think about this -- he only saw race (look at how Huck is excusing his actions with Geraldo) and felt sorry for Clemmons, and now because of that, 4 police officers are now dead -- that's the bottom line.

143 posted on 12/06/2009 11:58:33 AM PST by PallMal
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Mike who?


144 posted on 12/06/2009 11:59:19 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: PallMal
But of course, Huck didn't think about this -- he only saw race

Clemmons claimed he had 'found God'. Huckabee's soft spot.

145 posted on 12/06/2009 12:26:14 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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To: Eroteme
... I lay the widespread inability to recognize such flaws in logic and reasoning at the feet of our schools and our media. Logic has been replaced by feelings, opinions, and impressions. It's a serious problem, ...

I agree with your post 100%.

146 posted on 12/06/2009 1:10:17 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
In any case, a 26 year sentence handed down to a teen robber is extremely severe, prevents rehabilitation and breeds career criminals.

You are just incapable of being honest aren't you?

147 posted on 12/06/2009 1:13:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Tribune7

Perhaps I explained it wrong. His total from the eight felonies added up to 108 years. Huckabee was so wrong that it’s hard to believe how much wronger a person could be. I doubt if I could live with myself, but I guess the kind of person who could inflict a violent offender on society should be expected to be more interested in saving his miserable political skin than expressing dire remorse.


148 posted on 12/06/2009 1:22:59 PM PST by Rastus
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To: Rastus
His total from the eight felonies added up to 108 years.

Assuming he got the maximum sentence for each felony and the sentences were to be served consecutively.

It was way overboard. I've never heard of something like that happening to a teenager.

John duPont was sentenced to just 13 to 30 years in prison. John Hinckley only served 32 years in prison.

149 posted on 12/06/2009 1:49:58 PM PST by Tribune7 (God bless Carrie Prejean)
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To: Peter Horry

From your link:

Nine years ago, then-Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee granted clemency to Clemmons, commuting his lengthy prison sentence over the protests of prosecutors.

“This is the day I’ve been dreading for a long time,” Larry Jegley, prosecuting attorney for Arkansas’ Pulaski County said tonight when informed that Clemmons was being sought for questioning in connection with the killings.


150 posted on 12/06/2009 2:03:47 PM PST by ColdWater ("The theory of evolution really has no bearing on what I'm trying to accomplish with FR anyway. ")
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