Posted on 12/07/2009 7:56:22 AM PST by MNDude
Thanks for reminding me what a Godless hypocrite stands for.
I admire your innocence, but it's time to wake up and smell the river. What's going to stop the courts from declaring that a church (even the Church) which refuses the sacrament of marriage on equal terms to same sex and different sex couples has violated a host of anti-discrimination laws? Do you think a little language in the Constitution about the free exercise of religion will stop them? Think again. And courts aren't your only concern. Government has lots of leverage. Consider tax exemptions, for example.
Gay marriage isn't about changing the law. It's about using the law to change the culture in destructive ways. If you surrender in the fight to keep the law sane and agree to get the government out of the business of marriage the fight will just move to a different battlefield. The left isn't going to let you practice your faith and express your beliefs in any private enclave. You can run but you can't hide.
You casually mention that, if they come for the Church we'll “have martyrs.” That will be cold comfort. The whole point of living in a free society is that you don't have to be a martyr. Don't give up a free society without a fight.
You have a world-class grasp of the irrelevant. What is the remark quoted above supposed to prove?
Of course gay men can create the simulacrum of a family. It may even work better than many real families. But society still needs to make families with a mother, a father and children that partake of their DNA the norm. Gay men adopting children can never be a suitable foundation for a functioning society.
When society needs to maintain a norm it has to define something as normal and everything else as abnormal. That's unfortunate for those who suffer the stigma of deviance, but it can't be helped. If everything is normal, nothing is.
How can any person with enough intelligence to use a keyboard and any exposure at all to his own culture fail to understand that society can't afford to normalize homosexuality? Are you really an idiot or do you just play one on the Internet.
Who is giving up? I pray the Rosary, a very powerful weapon. Victory against evil of this nature does not come by laws or by court decisions, it comes by conversion. In the meantime I accept that the Church will be persecuted as will anybody who holds to the truth.
"With the grace of God, we will stand by the truth cost what it may, and if they brutally murder us, hey, that's the fastest elevator to heaven." - Bishop Richard Williamson
Well I guess it's back to the catacombs then. Those were some pretty good times when they were feeding us to the lions in the Colosseum.
But seriously, I like the advantages of a modern, free society. I have no problem with prayer and I'll grant you its power. But I'm not ready to give up on fighting for our culture with the weapons that law and politics give us. God helps those who help themselves.
Thump your bible a little louder. :)
“Expect some thoughtful phone calls and people at your door with pamphlets.”
No thanks, I’m not buying what they are selling.
I’m not Christian, and don’t thump a bible, but keep trying, loser.
Of course, the vast majority of social liberals DEMAND my tax money be used to promote and fund their social liberalism, so we will never have such a thing in reality.
Theoretical impossibility??? You should better acquaint yourself with what it means to be socially liberal. It absolutely does not mean the state should encourage destructive behaviors. To be socially liberal is to believe that the state should take no action (either for or against) regarding sex, relationships, et cetera. This is based on the same logic that favors fiscal conservatism; the government should not intrude on people’s personal lives in either an authoritarian or financial manner. A true fiscal conservative/social liberal would say, “Sure, go have fun using dirty needles to shoot up heroin, but have fun paying for the hospital bills after. The government definitely isn’t going to help you out.” These kinds of responses are the cheapest responses in the world. This also puts a premium on personal responsibility. It simply comes down to the fact that you either succeed or fail by your own choices without the net of government tying you down or holding you up. Morality doesn’t enter into it, and the government doesn’t have to bill citizens for services it doesn’t perform.
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