Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

VW Unveils Up! Lite Concept at LA Show [96mpg diesel hybrid]
Green Car Congress ^ | 2 December 2009 | Mike Millikin

Posted on 12/07/2009 11:36:42 AM PST by wolf78

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-59 next last
To: wolf78

“combined EPA cycle fuel consumption”

Q: Is this a plug in hybrid? Cuz in those cases I think the mpg can be extremely misleading.


21 posted on 12/07/2009 12:23:47 PM PST by Pessimist (u)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

ICE cars are not a sitting target.

They will improve fuel effiency. And still dominate the market 10 years from now.

The Hippy Green Left/ Anti-oil Hawkish Right market is only so big.

The anti-oil hawks will definelty go Volt.

The Hippy Green Left is going to have alot of choices. Prius plug-in,Nissan Leaf,Mitsu BEV(I forget the name)in additon to the Volt.

There are only so many rich Hippies on the Left Coast and Northeast.


22 posted on 12/07/2009 12:25:16 PM PST by Reaganez
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: willgolfforfood

I had an 82 Toyota Starlet years ago. 50 hp, 52 mpg. And yeah, it actually got that milage, at 65 mph on the highway.

And that was before fuel injection, etc. The thing actually had a manual choke on the dash, if you can believe that.


23 posted on 12/07/2009 12:25:42 PM PST by Pessimist (u)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Pessimist
“Q: Is this a plug in hybrid? Cuz in those cases I think the mpg can be extremely misleading.”

No, I am pretty sure this is just a diesel charging the batteries ... kind of like the WWI U-Boats.

24 posted on 12/07/2009 12:26:20 PM PST by CapnJack
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: wolf78

How much does it cost?


25 posted on 12/07/2009 12:26:25 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: CapnJack

For the the money both the VW TDI and BMW 3 series turbo diesel suck.

If they were about a third cheaper then we would be tawkin.


26 posted on 12/07/2009 12:28:12 PM PST by Reaganez
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: CapnJack

So, a “series” hybrid as opposed to a parallel one.

Pretty impressive in that case.


27 posted on 12/07/2009 12:32:52 PM PST by Pessimist (u)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: CapnJack

Diesels in GM cars in the late Seventies were all pretty bad since they attempted to convert a regular gasoline engine to diesel.

The new CRD (common rail diesels) are pretty smooth and don’t make the racket or smoke the way the older US and even Euro models did. I drove one in Britain back in 2002 and it was very nice. Unfortunately, it was a manual and that took a while to get used to (my previous experience had been with my Saab over 15 years ago).


28 posted on 12/07/2009 12:34:10 PM PST by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Reaganez

Price wise ... yea.

Performance is great though.

When diesel was 20 - 30 cents cheaper than gas I was making out like a bandit on my Jetta TDI at 50+ mpg.


29 posted on 12/07/2009 12:38:56 PM PST by CapnJack
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Reaganez

“For the the money both the VW TDI and BMW 3 series turbo diesel suck.”

suck is a difficult word to discuss.

The two companies are selling them as fast as they are available, in the US.

Some people have enough money to base purchase decisions on additional factors.

Do gunowners buy the cheapest guns? Fishing gear, knives, likewise?


30 posted on 12/07/2009 12:40:19 PM PST by truth_seeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: wolf78
That's 0 - 62 MPH in 12.5 seconds -- just a smidgen shorter than the quarter-mile time of my 1965 Formula S Barracuda...
31 posted on 12/07/2009 12:48:11 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: wolf78
Maybe borrowing a little bit from the C30?


32 posted on 12/07/2009 12:49:13 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DemonDeac

The new technology diesels have direct injection where the fuel is injected under high pressure. The modern diesels are awesome.


33 posted on 12/07/2009 12:53:30 PM PST by Frantzie (Judge David Carter - democrat & dishonorable Marine like John Murtha.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: CapnJack
The only diesel American car was that POS Chevy back in the ‘70s ... a true disaster.

Seems to me tthere was a diesel Cadillac, too. They tried to put diesel heads and injectors on a gasoline V-8 block and crank . . . wasn't a good idea.

34 posted on 12/07/2009 12:55:29 PM PST by 19th LA Inf
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: wolf78

I’m a little surprised at the use of magnesium. Didn’t VW have trouble with magnesium engine cases in the 60’s?


35 posted on 12/07/2009 12:57:20 PM PST by Boiler Plate ("Why be difficult, when with just a little more work, you can be impossible" Mom)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: org.whodat

I remember when VW Beetles had 36 HP, and a top speed of 72 MPH.


36 posted on 12/07/2009 1:03:53 PM PST by hellbender
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Red Badger

“Looks like a Ford Focus ZX3.................”

Yeah, but at 1,500 lbs, it probably weighs close to 1,000 lbs less. Big fuel savings with that weight reduction, and will also make the car reasonably zippy even with the small powerplant.


37 posted on 12/07/2009 1:04:19 PM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: wolf78

Eight hundred cc’s is shy of the 1,200 that came with my ‘64 Beetle. It is Diesel and turbo though. i can’t remember how many hp the 1200 cc’s cranked out

The extra 3 gears probably help a lot on he road.

It would be interesting to know how the aerodynamics of the old beetle compares with this new kid.


38 posted on 12/07/2009 1:11:58 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: wolf78

800cc? That’s less than one cylinder on my motorcycle


39 posted on 12/07/2009 1:12:09 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freekitty

Memory is a problem with old guys. Half of what we know is obsolete.

I have an ‘06 Dodge (Mercedes) Sprinter that is very large. It gets 23 mpg with its aerodynamics and turbodiesel engine at 65-70 mph cruise. That is on par with a Honda CRV.

There is Diesel fuel everywhere now.


40 posted on 12/07/2009 1:16:52 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-59 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson