This has already been discussed decades ago.
Posted on 12/08/2009 7:52:39 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
Yep. It looks like Brian read about the guy's research on human children but missed his research on chimps. At least this time I think he may honestly be unaware of the other research; usually when I catch him leaving out material that contradicts his argument (which happens a lot), it appears to be on purpose.
If you're ever interested in really "getting down into the weeds" of spiritual disorder, personal and cultural, I have a couple of book recommendations for you, dear sister in Christ. I've been doing a little "'self-tutorial on Great German authors of the 20th Century" for the past couple months. Narrowed down to just three authors: Nobel Laureate Elias Canetti's Auto-da-Fé, Robert Musil's The Man without Qualities, and Heimito von Doderer's The Demons.
That is the order in which I am reading them. I've just completed Musil's stupendous (1,774-page) novel. Have just started the Doderer....
Dear spirited irish, you nail Feuerbach, Nietzsche, and Marx for their devastating sociocultural effects. The three German novels just mentioned show you what happens from there, "in the belly of the beast," unto the next generation(s), at the personal level and from there into the total implosion of historic European culture that devolved therefrom, first culminating in WWI, and then on from there into the bloodiest century in the history of mankind.
Musil's work is particularly challenging.... (And at times horrifically shocking.)
It's interesting, but all these men were primarily scientifically trained. The miracle is that they also happen to be great literary artists. And all of them place particular demands on their readers. There's no "free ride" for the reader with any of these novels....
Anyhoot, they're all out of print, but still available via {e.g.} Amazon's excellent used-booksellers network. I thought you might have an interest, dear spirited irish....
Thank you so very much for your splendid essay/post!
"I love science. Just like evolution, it’s one of God’s greatest creations. It’s the gift that keeps on giving."
- Jim Robinson
“Can altruism be explained by evolution?
Yes.
End of story.”
I'm reminded of the story of the snooty Harvard professor who reluctantly visits a bar in West Texas. After the prof places his order, the good ol' boy bartender asks, "So, where y'all from?" The prof rolls his eyes and says very condescendingly, "I come from a place where we don't end our sentences with prepositions." Taken aback, the bartender replies, "Allow me to rephrase--where y'all from, a$$hole?"
To elaborate on the original response, allow me to rephrase: Yes, a$$hole.
Come on! It's funny!
Look, I just can't doubt any theory that can explain my wife's shopping habits. It's in a science publication, so the debate is over!
Thank you for the excellent recommendations! I’ll put them on my ‘must read’ list. In the meantime, please share the insights you gain.
LOL!!!
Upon reading the ICR article, but before reading the thread, and thus before seeing your post, I did exactly the same thing. I googled the slightly different search phrase, "altruism chimpanzees," but still got that PLoS article as the very first hit.
BTW, the full text of the article is available at that link. You can even download videos of the experiments.
I've read enough ICR articles over the years to know that there will always be something deliciously stupid about them. This was only slightly more tasty than usual.
Won't embarrass GGG, though. No matter how often he gets burned, he'll keep the hits coming!
I have been offended and angered by GGG and taken some of his insults and threats personally, now I am beginning to pity him. To tirelessly defend one's faith is admirable, but to have no scruples in doing so is...pitiful.
This has already been discussed decades ago.
Will do, spirited! My plan is to read all three works — Elias Canetti's Auto-da-Fé, Robert Musil's The Man without Qualities, and Heimito von Doderer's The Demons, and then to write a short piece about them. I'm on the third now (having recovered from the Robert Musil — a truly stupendous work) — the von Doderer.
These are truly amazing works — I've never seen anything like them before....
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