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Japanese ladies long for date with brutal men of history (girly men dumped)
The Times(UK) ^ | 12/12/09 | Richard Lloyd Parry

Posted on 12/12/2009 9:08:01 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Edited on 12/12/2009 11:36:12 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: SIDENET

Whenever I see someone who has done this to themselves my first thought is that there has to be some sort of self hatred involved.


81 posted on 12/12/2009 11:34:28 AM PST by sanjoaquinvalley (Long time lady lurker.)
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To: Richard Kimball
I train firefighters and tell the body builder types not to try and prepare for a competition while in the academy.

I went through a basic fire fighter course. It was the most physically taxing experience of my life.

Let me say I sweated my a$$ off every day.

82 posted on 12/12/2009 11:48:34 AM PST by Pontiac
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To: Tax-chick
Do you think a real fighter from the Golden Age of Greece would have been "sculpted" like that, or do you think it's an artistic convention for the depiction of epic heroes?

I would believe the latter.

Consider the Roman Armor Breast Plate.

Certainly not designed this way for functional reasons.

Roman Breast Plate

83 posted on 12/12/2009 12:01:07 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Tax-chick
I wasn’t thinking along those lines, myself. (Just that a guy either has clothes on, or he doesn’t.)

I realized that.

But it in my nature to seize on the common misconceptions and point them out

A most irritating part of my nature; Some times it sparks conversation others it just ticks people off.

84 posted on 12/12/2009 12:05:51 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: John Will
The Strongman or Lineman type body would probably be more realistic for the hulking warrior.

Probably something like that but not too large or too heavy.

Line backers are trained for short burst of speed and brute strength.

I think something between a line backer and a soccer player; strength, stamina, speed and agility.

A warrior of old would have to be able to march for hours carrying most of their equipment days on end and then be able to fight with little rest.

General Patton knew this and was able to execute the practice in WW II.

85 posted on 12/12/2009 12:22:59 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Ev Reeman

Compare those heroes — manly men — to the “men” that make DH and I change channels — the metrosexual freaks in the NY Times TV ads. OMG! It’s like the PR firm is playing a huge joke on the consumers. A cartoon, but with real people.


86 posted on 12/12/2009 12:29:46 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (Never argue with a man whose job depends on not being convinced. (Mencken))
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To: Pontiac

We had one guy drop 40 pounds in the last academy. He would have dropped more, except for his eating habits. I took powdered donuts away from him and chewed him out about his diet, but you can only do so much.

Within six months he’ll be back to his donut eating weight.


87 posted on 12/12/2009 12:31:16 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Mishima wrote a love story called Patriotism. A young lieutenant is honor-bound to commit seppuku, and trusts his wife to witness his death and kill herself afterward, instead of killing her first because of her womanly weakness.

It's all sensuality and trembling, like a virgin going to her marriage bed.

So maybe they would find it romantic.

88 posted on 12/12/2009 12:43:51 PM PST by heartwood
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To: ReneeLynn
“what’s up with the very large eyes?”

Its the Betty Boop influence via Tezuka Osamu. Following Japanese animators were influenced by him.

http://www.essortment.com/all/animejapanesem_rmpg.htm

Quote: The large, shiny eyes that have become a staple of anime style are actually more a product of history than of culture. In the past, characters in American and European cartoons, such as Betty Boop and Felix the Cat, had disproportionately large eyes. This style was emulated by Tezuka Osamu, one of the most influential founding fathers of anime. Today, this distinctive eye style has become a matter of the animators preference.

89 posted on 12/12/2009 1:01:27 PM PST by Polynikes (Haakkaa Paalle)
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To: Pontiac
A most irritating part of my nature; Some times it sparks conversation others it just ticks people off.

I do that to people, too, whether it's correcting misinformation or just wandering off the topic because I thought of something.

90 posted on 12/12/2009 1:31:06 PM PST by Tax-chick (Here I come, with a sharp knife and a clear conscience!)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

Good points. They didn’t just fight (and train) in bronze armor: they also competed in athletic competitions, sans armor. There are several episodes of “funerary games” in the Greek and Latin epics. And drinking themselves to unconsciousness, too, which doesn’t do much for physical fitness ...

Someone like Audie Murphy, who was a tiny little fellow at the time he won the MoH, was enabled by modern weapons. He eventually reached 5’6”, iirc, but I’ve seen his original uniform, and I couldn’t have fit into it. (I’m 5’4” and a size 8, between pregnancies). The Depression generation had very slight physiques, as a rule.


91 posted on 12/12/2009 1:35:21 PM PST by Tax-chick (Here I come, with a sharp knife and a clear conscience!)
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To: Pontiac
Consider the Roman Armor Breast Plate.

Good point.

92 posted on 12/12/2009 1:36:38 PM PST by Tax-chick (Here I come, with a sharp knife and a clear conscience!)
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To: Taffini

Yeah, shrinkage. But he is dead, after all.


93 posted on 12/12/2009 1:43:00 PM PST by Tax-chick (Here I come, with a sharp knife and a clear conscience!)
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To: Perdogg

You mean like how English/French/German/Polish/Italian ladies are the same ?


94 posted on 12/12/2009 1:44:29 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: historyrepeatz

Now THAT is a Japanese girl.


95 posted on 12/12/2009 1:45:36 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The really funny thing about Yukio Mishima is that he was also a homosexual. I’m serious. The guy who cut off his head with a sword was in his military group —a student from Waseda University (who later became an eccentric artist with legal troubles).

So his lover guy was obviously kind of nervous about cutting off sensei’s head, ya know?

In fact, this first lover student bungled the job, and another of his buddies (who was an active Kendo guy, and not his lover) cut his head off in one whack.

Mishima was married, and did have kids, however.


96 posted on 12/12/2009 1:48:13 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Periodically Japan goes through these times when men’s fashion becomes kind of fem, or androgynous. Sometimes it’s brief, and sometimes longer. Usually at these times the bro’s who go in for that lipstick, manicure and stupid sweater-over-shoulders thing are straighter than an arrow —I don’t get it...

Sexually, in some respects is very conservative, and also in some respects very indulding —I can’t figure it out, sometimes.

I have heard Japan called a gay paradise, and yet VERY few gay guys will come out and say that openly —I have never had a Japanese guy whom I know well tell me he’s gay.

Most Japanese gay guys do get married and do have kids. In some industries past a certain corporate point they will myseriously pass you over for promotion if you are not married and have no kids; the idea is that you will find it very easy to leave the company and go work somewhere else —sorta like being in the mafia, or something.

So in some ways sexually they are sort of stuck in the 1950’s, even though they have brothels in most neighborhoods, and even though most married couples do screw around (sometimes in groups, even).

If you figger that out, lemme know, cuz I still haven’t....


97 posted on 12/12/2009 1:59:24 PM PST by gaijin
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This is the secret behind the success of White-Asian marriages. Asian women are like white women used to be; white men are like Asian men used to be. It’s a natural match.

I’ve been happily married to a wonderful blue-eyed blonde for seventeen years, but I’d never advise a friend to marry an American woman. I got lucky.


98 posted on 12/12/2009 2:03:37 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Tax-chick

> Someone like Audie Murphy, who was a tiny little fellow at the time he won the MoH, was enabled by modern weapons.

Perhaps “assisted”, rather than “enabled”? I know plenty of tough, mean short guys. In many ways they have a distinct advantage over taller opponents — lower center-of-gravity being one very important one.

Most of the modern Greeks I know are short wee sawn-off runts. I wonder how their physiques compare to their antient ancestors?

> The Depression generation had very slight physiques, as a rule.

My Father-in-Law passed away last week. He was a member of The Greatest Generation. He was 5’2” dripping wet, very slight build. Tough as nails, he was digging deep ditches in his back yard a week before he died at age 90.


99 posted on 12/12/2009 2:16:55 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
You're right, "assisted" is a much better word. No amount of weaponry can make someone who doesn't have the fight inside a success on the battlefield.

I wonder how their physiques compare to their ancient ancestors?

I don't know ... don't even know if there's much human archaeological remains to work with from that period. Still, if everyone has the build of Olympic gymnasts, they're all evenly matched and nobody looks short to anyone else.

100 posted on 12/12/2009 2:23:22 PM PST by Tax-chick (Here I come, with a sharp knife and a clear conscience!)
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