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Mitch McConnell: Democrats are ducking Senate rules (by ending the reading of a 767-page amendment)
Politico ^ | 12/16/09 | MANU RAJU

Posted on 12/16/2009 4:14:17 PM PST by Libloather

Mitch McConnell: Democrats are ducking Senate rules
By MANU RAJU | 12/16/09 6:32 PM EST

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) accused Democrats Wednesday of circumventing Senate rules by ending the reading of a 767-page amendment without permission from other members of the body.

Earlier Wednesday, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) forced Senate clerks to read an amendment by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) that would have established a single-payer health care system. The reading paralyzed the Senate until the third hour, when Sanders withdrew the amendment. At that point, the Senate carried on with debating the health care bill, which Democrats are furiously trying to complete before Christmas.

But McConnell said that Democrats "somehow convinced the parliamentarian to break with the long-standing precedent and practice of the Senate" by withdrawing the amendment without asking for unanimous consent. Had Democrats asked for unanimous consent to withdraw the amendment, the GOP could have objected – and stalled the Senate for the rest of the day.

McConnell took to the floor and read from the Senate rules, arguing that consent is required from all members to dispense with the reading of the amendment, a typically routine request.

"It’s now clear the majority is willing to do anything to jam through a 2000-page bill before the American people or any of us has had a chance to read it—including changing the rules in the middle of the game," McConnell said on the Senate floor.

Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), said there is a 1992 precedent that provides that a senator has a right to withdraw an amendment during its reading.

"End of story," Manley said.

But McConnell said that the 1992 episode was a "mistake," and he cited another mistake: the infamous 1856 incident where Massachusetts Sen. Charles Sumner was caned by South Carolina Rep. Preston S. Brooks in the Senate chamber.

"If mistakes were the rule, the caning of senators would be in order," McConnell said with a grin. "Fortunately for all of us, it is not."

Manley said: "They are upset because they were thwarted in their latest stunt to derail health reform."

"The rules of the Senate are clear," Manley added. "Any senator can withdraw his amendment prior to the yeas and nays being requested. That is what happened in this case. Parliamentary Rules 101. Nothing biased or changed about that."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhohealthcare; democrats; mcconnell; rules; senate
Manley said: "They are upset because they were thwarted in their latest stunt to derail health reform."

Yeahbut...

Sanders withdrew the amendment.

Doesn't THAT derail health reform?

1 posted on 12/16/2009 4:14:19 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Simple, start making them read EVERYTHING on the Floor, including the entire 2000 page bill.


2 posted on 12/16/2009 4:16:34 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: Libloather

Nope.....that was just an ammendment. Now.....if the Republicans do the same thing on a 1000 page health care bill......think they’ll withdraw that also? I doubt it but it will be fun to watch the Democrats get their shorts in a wad.


3 posted on 12/16/2009 4:18:30 PM PST by RC2
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To: Libloather

[The reading paralyzed the Senate until the third hour, when Sanders withdrew the amendment.]

Make them read the ENTIRE bill before the vote.


4 posted on 12/16/2009 4:20:28 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: Libloather

Maybe the ‘rats need a bill (that could be distributed and read before voting) supported by a majority to the voters in the US?


5 posted on 12/16/2009 4:20:58 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Libloather
"If mistakes were the rule, the caning of senators would be in order," McConnell said with a grin. "Fortunately for all of us, it is not."

Don't be so hasty, Senator McConnell. I think some beatings are in order.

6 posted on 12/16/2009 4:23:26 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Gore is the fifth horseman of the apocalypse. He rides an icy horse bringing cold wherever he goes.)
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To: Libloather

Rules? RULES? Since when do Dims have to abide by RULES?/s


7 posted on 12/16/2009 4:24:03 PM PST by LaybackLenny (Palin-Bachmann Overdrive 2012 - takin' care o' business!)
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To: Libloather
So what's Mitch gonna do about it....finally grow a set?

Mrs. Prince of Space

8 posted on 12/16/2009 4:25:40 PM PST by Prince of Space (Don't use a big word when a diminutive one will do....)
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To: KarlInOhio; Liz; writer33; AT7Saluki
"If mistakes were the rule, the caning of senators would be in order," McConnell said with a grin.

Heard him say that on C-Span about 20 minutes ago. Yep, the grin was there.

9 posted on 12/16/2009 4:26:23 PM PST by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: KarlInOhio

You are too merciful.


10 posted on 12/16/2009 4:28:28 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Libloather

“amendment by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) “

Don’t let the I fool you, he’s a Socialist.


11 posted on 12/16/2009 4:29:24 PM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: Libloather
no bare feet Pictures, Images and Photos

You'd think he'd realize by now that "Rules" are only to inconvenience Republicans and can be enforced or ignored.

12 posted on 12/16/2009 4:30:00 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: Libloather

So if the Rules of the Senate are not being followed, then who is responsible for enforcement? and what are the penalties?


13 posted on 12/16/2009 4:32:56 PM PST by Babsig (Palin/DeMint 2012 (I AM Jim Thompson))
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To: Libloather

caning??

the only problem with “caning” Congresscritters is that the ones most deserving of punishment will escape it </sarcasm>


14 posted on 12/16/2009 4:37:06 PM PST by Enchante (Carter + Gore + Obama added together are not worth 1/1000th of a Nobel Prize ....)
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To: freedomwarrior998
Simple, start making them read EVERYTHING on the Floor, including the entire 2000 page bill.

I called both my GOP Senators, Isakson and Chambliss and demanded that they do that. DEMAND THEY READ EVERY AMENDMENT AND THE FINAL BILL IN ITS ENTIRETY.

BTW, Senate rules require THREE readings and I suggest they make them read the damned things all THREE times.

Standing Rules of the Senate

RULE XIV

JOINT RESOLUTIONS, RESOLUTIONS, AND PREAMBLES THERETO

1. Whenever a bill or joint resolution shall be offered, its introduction shall, if objected to, be postponed for one day.

2. Every bill and joint resolution shall receive three readings previous to its passage which readings on demand of any Senator shall be on three different legislative days, and the Presiding Officer shall give notice at each reading whether it be the first, second, or third: Provided,That each reading may be by title only, unless the Senate in any case shall otherwise order.

15 posted on 12/16/2009 4:39:31 PM PST by Yankee (Welcome to Obama's Fourth Reich.)
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To: Libloather

See tagline.

Enforce the rules, pubbies.


16 posted on 12/16/2009 4:40:12 PM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: autumnraine
Don’t let the I fool you, he’s a Socialist.

And Senator Hussein voted to the left of the socialist.

17 posted on 12/16/2009 4:40:28 PM PST by Libloather (Tea totaler, PROUD birther, mobster, pro-lifer, anti-warmer, enemy of the state, extremist....)
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To: Libloather

Yes, but the important point is that Sen. Coburn and other Republicans are fighting back. They are the minority. They have very limited ability to stop or even delay this monstrosity, but some of them are fighting the good fight nonetheless.


18 posted on 12/16/2009 4:42:20 PM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: Libloather
Somebody help me to understand this...

The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land.

The Senate is established by Constitutional authority.

The Constitution says that the Senate can establish its own rules.

Congress is the highest law-making body in the Republic.

When Congress ignores its own rules, it is breaking the highest laws in the country.

Congress has an authority to enforce its laws. It is called the Sergeant-At-Arms.

Why isn't somebody calling for the arrest of whomever caused this violation of Constitutional law? I say that coercing the Senate Parliamentarian to overlook the violation of its rules is a Constitutional Crisis.

Our government has become corrupt beyond repair. If they won't follow the rule of law if it gets in the way of their own personal interests, then why should I follow the laws they enact?

-PJ

19 posted on 12/16/2009 4:43:23 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: Libloather

I’d be all for bringing back caning and dueling between senators. Might be an alternative to term limits.


20 posted on 12/16/2009 4:46:43 PM PST by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd: ON)
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To: Libloather

I saw to the Republicans. Continue. You are on a roll.


21 posted on 12/16/2009 4:46:57 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: CitizenUSA

Folks, all of the strategic moves are being orchestrated by McConnell and the GOP leadership - including today’s move by Coburn. The GOP is doing a great job of standing together.

The worry now is that Reid has just enough time to ramm this thru on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. I’m not kidding. The RATS believe most normal American families will be too distracted to care.

RING THE PHONES off the hook 202-224-3121 and beg everyone you know to call. If the public doesn’t rise up, we will lose.


22 posted on 12/16/2009 4:54:05 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: freedomwarrior998

Yep I agree I want the whole bill read on the floor before any voting takes place!


23 posted on 12/16/2009 4:59:18 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Libloather

Now push for them to read the 2000 page bill.

Wouldn’t it be great if someone withdrew that bill the same way they did the amendment?


24 posted on 12/16/2009 5:30:24 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Libloather

At least we have one man with the guts to FORCE the libs into retreat through ALL means necessary: Can we rename Sen. Coburn “Senator No” taken crown from Senator Helms (since he is no longer with us)..!


25 posted on 12/16/2009 5:54:03 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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To: Yankee

EXACTLY WE HAVE GOT TO GO TO WAR (LEGISLATIVELY SPEAKING). BE OBSTINANT AND NONSCHALANT IF THE MEDIA AND DEMOCRATS GET MAD AT US!~ That’s how we should fight!~~


26 posted on 12/16/2009 5:58:06 PM PST by JSDude1 (www.wethepeopleindiana.org (Tea Party Member-Proud), www.travishankins.com (R- IN 09 2010!))
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To: Libloather

So the Dems break the rules. Who’d’ve thunk it?


27 posted on 12/16/2009 6:36:19 PM PST by Eagle Eye (3%)
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To: Libloather

Rules, we don’t have to abide by any steeken rules!


28 posted on 12/16/2009 8:31:24 PM PST by longhorn too
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To: Libloather; maggief; Grampa Dave; stephenjohnbanker; Landru; GOPJ; hoosiermama; ...
Mmm, mm, mmm....sounds good to me........... "If mistakes were the rule, the caning of senators would be in order."
29 posted on 12/17/2009 5:13:05 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

What is the legal remedy if the Democrats refuse to abide by the rules, and allow the full reading?

Thank you in advance.


30 posted on 12/17/2009 5:41:56 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Liz
"'End of story,' Manley said."

Get that resume' in order Girly, because it is indeed the end of your story.
2010 pal, be there or be square. LOL

"But McConnell said that the 1992 episode was a 'mistake,' and he cited another mistake: the infamous 1856 incident where Massachusetts Sen. Charles Sumner was caned by South Carolina Rep. Preston S. Brooks in the Senate chamber."

~sigh~
Just imagine how right things c/would be if only we didn't feature ourselves so civilized. LOL

31 posted on 12/17/2009 6:51:49 AM PST by Landru (Forget the pebble Grasshopper, just leave.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Dems are in the majority-—they figure they don’t have to answer to anyone or anything.

They forget all America is watching-—and will take their revenge at the polls.


32 posted on 12/17/2009 7:33:56 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
*** Mmm, mm, mmm....sounds good to me........... "If mistakes were the rule, the caning of senators would be in order." ***

I think it's a great idea. However, my idea of 'Caning' isn't exactly 'textbook'.

When I think of 'caning', I think of a movie with James Caan where he was a CIA hitman. After getting shot - 'kneecapped' and stuff, he needed a Wooden Cane to walk. He also used it as a weapon. Like the Japanese or Filipinos who 'Stick Fight'.

Due to my screwed up knees, sometimes I 'need' to use a Wooden Cane. And like James Caan in the movie, my 'cane' ain't just for walking ;-)

33 posted on 12/17/2009 8:45:45 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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