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To: roamer_1

The Italian government does not shield organized crime families from prosecution. They hate them, and the mafia is far more brutal to government there than it would ever dare to be here. They murder judges in Italy. The government of Afghanistan embraced Osama Bin Laden and shielded him. Dealing with rogue states, without a declaration of war, goes back to Thomas Jefferson. If there must be a name, that doctrine should be named after the first one of the founding fathers to use it.


774 posted on 12/19/2009 9:23:03 PM PST by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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To: sig226
The Italian government does not shield organized crime families from prosecution. They hate them, and the mafia is far more brutal to government there than it would ever dare to be here. They murder judges in Italy.

I know for a fact that the Italian government refused extradition for mafia dons in the '60s and '70s. I did a detailed report on the subject. What they do now may or may not be different. I cannot recall a single instance of an high profile mafia boss being extradited from there.

Thus the result is exactly the same.

The government of Afghanistan embraced Osama Bin Laden and shielded him.

The government of Afghanistan basically did the very same thing the Italians did - without the added insult of being an ally.

Dealing with rogue states, without a declaration of war, goes back to Thomas Jefferson. If there must be a name, that doctrine should be named after the first one of the founding fathers to use it.

As I said previously, the nation of Afghanistan did nothing to us. They would not turn Osama over - that was their involvement. They probably could not have found him if they wanted to.

If they are a rogue state for that reason, then we ought to be kicking the crap out of many nations.

And my point is not about whether we declared war or not. My point is that America does not start wars - A very straightforward statement - and that the Bush Doctrine changed that. I am not comfortable with that outcome.

781 posted on 12/20/2009 2:47:40 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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