Posted on 12/18/2009 2:09:44 PM PST by Syncro
This bill isn't about health care, certainly it doesn't do one lick towards reform
It's full of taxes and government control.
Hundreds of billions in taxes even before one part of this bill is implemented.
Healthcare controlled and decided by government panels instead of those in the medical field. Not good.
Will the democrats really help us little people?I've had about all the help I can manage. Any more "help" and I'm going to have to start selling body parts...
Even if that jackass gets everything he wants, it can ALL be stripped out in reconciliation and the new bill with everything bad added back in can be passed with just 50 votes.
Uhh. He is a Democrat. Never forget that. There are no moderate Democrats. They are all part of the Collective.
Does anyone else find it ironic they are killing their own future voters????
I don’t think they have such foresight. lol
Like the dinosaur media alerts so goes the dinosaur political rats. They fool no one, they are all in concert, all for themselves and they will all be comiserating in 2010 when we boot thier a##es out in the street.
They are disingenuous to a gnats eyebrow.
Then they will rape it.
I hope that is not too strong of an analogy?
there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he will cave. and even if he doesn’t, there is always someone who can be bought a la mary landrieu.
Kyl told the press this afternoon that Reid aint got his 60M
The ridiculous climate deal helps us + the snowstorm. Pray for a blizzard in DC tonight and tomorrow. They are calling for 12 to 20 inches of snow.
No, they would still need 60 votes. Where are you getting your information?
....he will cave....
His latest comments indicate he is almost ready. He will extract a nice price for him and his state.
Any more “help” and I’m going to have to start selling body parts...
Sorry, those body parts aren’t yours to sell,
read the fine print.
But with a procedure called The Budget Reconciliation Process I do believe they can pass it with 51 votes.
Of course they have to lie.
From Here:
For a more detailed description of The Budget Reconciliation Process: House and Senate Procedures click on the link.In the last week, Democrats have begun to talk openly of using a procedure known as budget reconciliation to pass a health bill in the Senate with a simple majority, assuming no Republican support. To do that, under Senate rules, they would probably need to show that the public plan changed federal spending or revenues and that the effects were not “merely incidental” to the changes in health policy.
Democrats believe they could clear this hurdle by demonstrating that the public plan would save money or cost money.
“If a public plan is shown to have a cost to the government that affects outlays or revenues, it could be included in a health care bill using reconciliation procedures,” said Martin P. Paone, a former Senate aide who has been consulted by Senate Democrats.
What are you talking about? Have you bothered to educate yourself before posting. Let's go over this slowly, maybe get a pencil.
They would have to start over to do that, and they are in a big hurry. They can’t take a bill that has gone through the normal process and suddenly treat it like it has been through the “reconciliation process.”
There are some other disadvantages to using reconciliation; bills passed in that manner expire in 5 years, like the GWB tax cuts.
Thank you ding dong daddy.
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