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To: Admin Moderator

Any federal version of health care is unconstitutional since Article 1 Section 8 does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care. The people are not bound by any unconstitutional act of Congress. It is time for civil disobedience. Pass it on.


5 posted on 12/20/2009 10:49:31 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D

I agree - it is time for civil disobedience and it needs to start NOW!


14 posted on 12/20/2009 10:52:49 AM PST by cblue55
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To: Man50D
“since Article 1 Section 8 does not specifically grant Congress the power to regulate health care.”

Or do many other things these miscreants are doing.

“It is time for civil disobedience. Pass it on.”

The knuckle dragging socialists have been pushing us this direction for decades; we need to fight back for once.

30 posted on 12/20/2009 11:04:21 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (The End of an Error - 01/20/2013)
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To: Man50D

Can’t all this be tied up in the courts?


37 posted on 12/20/2009 11:11:19 AM PST by unkus
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To: Man50D

Civil Disobedience (CD), I was thinking the samething but with a different twist.

Most concerned persons are reluctant to engage in CD unless they preceive there are enough people doing do that the government would or could not enforce the unjust law.

So an idea would be to start or link a communications network that would be designed with websites and several proxy servers, text messaging, twitter and facebook accounts, orchestrated in a way to activate tens of millions of Americans who have pledged to engage in an act of CD.

The problem is that anyone advocating a specific CD could be prosecuted for inciting a riot or for aiding and abetting lawbreaking. So the network would have to be anonymous and offshore with plent of surrogate websites and proxies to get around an expected federal crackdown.

The network could start as a ‘protest’ network and it would be covered under the First Amendment. From there the network could solicit members to pladge CD when alerts are sent out to activate a specific CD.

Food for thought and probably risky to discuss publicly.


41 posted on 12/20/2009 11:14:20 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Man50D
I agree, these senators think they own us ! if they twist the constitution to allow abortion but overlook the right of a human being to life, they can make the constitution say just about anything, forced healthcare ? no problem !

check out this e-mail i got back ( two months later ) from my senator :

Dear Mr. Miller:

Thank you for writing to express your views concerning the constitutionality of enacting healthcare reform legislation. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on this topic and welcome the opportunity to respond.

I support reforming our healthcare system. The key is to find a healthcare plan that provides coverage, as well as limits cost. My colleagues in the Senate and I have been working on this, but it is a difficult issue and must be carefully thought out. I understand that you have concerns about the constitutionality of enacting healthcare reform legislation. Although specific proposals have not been finalized, I can provide a general overview of how Constitutional principles might apply to the issue of healthcare reform.

Article I, section 8 of the Constitution states that "Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States..." The power to raise and expend revenue for the general welfare is one of the broadest powers in the Constitution. This provision has afforded the Constitutional basis of government health programs in the Social Security Act, including Medicare, Medicaid, and the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

One of the significant ways the federal government can encourage state behavior is by imposing conditions on the receipt of federal funds. The Supreme Court has held that when Congress imposes conditions on federal funds that go to the States, these conditions represent a valid exercise of Congress' power under the Constitution's Spending Clause.

Additionally, the Commerce Clause of the Constitution empowers Congress "to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes." The Supreme Court has found that the Commerce Clause allows Congress to regulate "those activities having a substantial relation to interstate commerce." This power has been cited as the Constitutional basis for a significant portion of the laws passed by Congress that affect the domestic economy across states.

I appreciate hearing your views on this matter. Please know that I will be sure to keep your comments in mind as my colleagues and I continue to examine ways to make healthcare affordable for all Americans.

Again, thank you for writing. I hope that you will continue to keep in touch on issues of importance to you. If you should have any further questions or comments, please feel free to call my Washington, D.C. staff at (202) 224-3841. Best regards.

Also, may I take this opportunity to wish you a happy and healthy holiday season. And may 2010 be a good year for us all.

Sincerely yours,

Dianne Feinstein

United States Senator

52 posted on 12/20/2009 11:43:05 AM PST by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: Man50D; moose2004; unkus; Hostage; KTM rider; Stultis; Texas56
Great piece about the constitutionality issue.
77 posted on 12/20/2009 2:47:33 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Man50D
They are not regulating health care. They are regulating interstate commerce.
98 posted on 12/20/2009 4:42:22 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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