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Return of the Antiwar Right
American Conservative ^ | 2009-12-12 | Jack Hunter aka Southern Avenger

Posted on 12/21/2009 4:23:40 PM PST by rabscuttle385

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1 posted on 12/21/2009 4:23:41 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: djsherin; bamahead; BGHater; randomhero97; Bokababe

Heads up. FYI.


2 posted on 12/21/2009 4:28:42 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

I am tending more and more to be anti-war. I am a conservative and love, love our troops. However, these endless wars and our men coming home maimed for life and even dead is becoming less pallitable to me. I want to know if both sides finance the wars and make tons of money and this is yet another redistribution scheme of wealth, courtesy of our rogue government.


3 posted on 12/21/2009 4:28:55 PM PST by Britt0n
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To: rabscuttle385

Our military over in the combat zones are armed and killin’ bad guys.

I do want more R&D to find better ways to defeat IEDs.

Other than that I an content to have out troops over there killing them rather than the Jihadies running around the malls killing unarmed civilians here. We have enough Jihadies here already - we don’t need any more.


4 posted on 12/21/2009 4:30:06 PM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: rabscuttle385

My passion for defending our country against a bunch of Muhammeds hiding in caves has been waned once the real enemy took control of our country.

Although not as sensational 3500 being crushed to death by big towers falling on them, I can guarantee that the tens of thousands of deaths of our family members and freinds because their healthcare has been rationed will be every bit as sad and horrific to us all in the long run.

I guess money we spend in Iraq and Afghanistan is money not spent on ACORN is the silver lining I see.


5 posted on 12/21/2009 4:30:47 PM PST by MNDude (The Republican Congress Economy--1995-2007)
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Just about all of the greatest military leaders in the history of the US believed that wars were evil but sometimes a necessary evil.

There is a big difference between being anti-war and anti-nation building. Many here still can't grasp that concept.
6 posted on 12/21/2009 4:31:57 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: PeteB570

Given what I’ve read about the current ROE, it seems that our troops are there to provide realistic moving targets.

That being the case, unless the ROE is changed, I’d say bring them home.

If you’re not fighting to win, you shouldn’t be in the action.


7 posted on 12/21/2009 4:34:17 PM PST by benewton (Life sucks, then you die)
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Other than that I an content to have out troops over there killing them rather than the Jihadies running around the malls killing unarmed civilians here. We have enough Jihadies here already - we don’t need any more.

It seems to me if there really was a "war on terror" that the southern border would be secured, visas of known terrorists would be revoked, and the current jihadists here would be removed.

FDR didn't have a problem with gathering up innocent Japanese. Oh, that's right, he didn't say he would side with them if the winds were to turn ill.
8 posted on 12/21/2009 4:34:53 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: rabscuttle385

“don’t tell foreign policy–they did not really ask why their country was at war and Republican leaders did not tell, or bother,”

Pretty BS. The President had to defend his policy and position almost every friggen day.


9 posted on 12/21/2009 4:38:26 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Having been a soldier under Democrat leadership (Vietnam), I say the second a Dem becomes commander in chief it is time to bring the troops home. The only outcome will be you will be maimed or killed -— or neither of those but simply find the cause abandoned later on. The minute a pinko takes command it is time to turn the guns on Washington!


10 posted on 12/21/2009 4:45:51 PM PST by sailor4321
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To: randomhero97

Conservatives were in the past very against nation building I am against nation building myself. We are broke and have enough of our own problems to think about and there is always the fact that obama is not giving our troops all they need so more will die I would assume and obama is not worth dying for.


11 posted on 12/21/2009 4:48:11 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: rabscuttle385

If we’d fought WW2 the way we’re fighting this “war on terror” (and I include Dubya as well as Obama) we’d still be working our way through Normandy and Guadalcanal.


12 posted on 12/21/2009 4:51:04 PM PST by Notary Sojac ("Goldman Sachs" is to "US economy" as "lamprey" is to "lake trout")
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To: benewton

Morale is being undermined...both on the field and at home...

Too many sucumb to it appearently...

The ROE was changed on purpose...to inflate the casualty rate...this will dutifully be reported by the state media...which will in turn push poll and show “support declining”....

Obama WANT’s to flee...to give up and cut and run...but he CANT until enough people like you say:

“That being the case, unless the ROE is changed, I’d say bring them home.

If you’re not fighting to win, you shouldn’t be in the action.”

So all Obama and the liberals have to do is drag thier feet and wait you out...

It appears to be working all too well...


13 posted on 12/21/2009 4:51:18 PM PST by Crim
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We should do whatever it takes to eradicate the enemy in Afghanistan as soon as possible and then leave. Or just leave if the current “strategy” will remain standing around waiting to get shot.

Trying to nation build in that hellhole is a fruitless endeavor that leeches money and American lives.

It’s disgraceful that the Taliban stills exists despite 8 years of engagement. It should have been over in a matter of weeks. Frag the bad guys, don’t stand around propping up Hamid Karzai.


14 posted on 12/21/2009 4:53:15 PM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN | NO "INDIVIDUAL MANDATE"!!!!!!!)
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Short of “scorched Earth” there is no way that country is going to be conquered and held.


15 posted on 12/21/2009 4:55:37 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: benewton
If you’re not fighting to win, you shouldn’t be in the action.

Amen to that.

16 posted on 12/21/2009 4:55:41 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: rabscuttle385
As a conservative, I have long found it perplexing that to a large extent the American Right has been defined by its enthusiasm for going to war virtually anywhere, for virtually any reason and often for no good reason.

As a conservative, the writer should know better than to buttress the left's anti-war talking points with the left's cartoonish characterization of the right.

The enthusiasm was for the defense of our nation in light of the horrific attacks that preceded it. But if he insists on denying Saddam Hussein's involvement in those attacks, if he insists on pretending there was no established relationship with al Qaeda, there's nothing I can do for the man. He'd rather believe the lie... it better suits his agenda. No fact(s) will move him from that.

All that being said, I want our troops home and I want them home now. It kills me to see them fighting for this monster they're forced to call a Commander in Chief. He means them harm and he will deliver. Evil is at the wheel now.

17 posted on 12/21/2009 4:57:25 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Crim

You nailed it.


18 posted on 12/21/2009 4:57:33 PM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: rabscuttle385
As a conservative, I have long found it perplexing that to a large extent the American Right has been defined by its enthusiasm for going to war virtually anywhere, for virtually any reason and often for no good reason.

That is the biggest bunch of Ron Paul garbage I have ever read.

We conservatives, especially those of us who saw war, do not have "an enthusiasm for war," but we understand freedom isn't free and what it costs to have freedom, ours and others.

What all too many "anti-war" left or right fail to realize is that as you protest, hinder and undermine our efforts, you prolong it, instead of supporting get in and get it done.

If you have forgotten September 11, 2001 and why we engaged in Afghanistan, I pity you all and wonder who you will seek to keep you free in the future.

Even more pitiful is seeing left-leaning libertarians masquerading as conservatives.

19 posted on 12/21/2009 4:57:52 PM PST by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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Apparently there is still enthusiasm to be involved in foreign wars among the troops, there hasn't been any decline in enlistments in the past 8 years.
20 posted on 12/21/2009 5:11:54 PM PST by Griddlee (6t)
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