Posted on 12/21/2009 4:23:40 PM PST by rabscuttle385
That wasn’t the contention of the original post, was it?
All told, the country has been overrun by the Persians, Alexander, Medes, the Achaemenid Empire (both Persian), the Mauryans and Greco-Bactrians, Huns, Arabs, and Mongols.
I may not own the copyright on the term, but I sure know what the word “conservative” means... and nation-building or foreign adventures are not included in the definition.
Hunter, Tancredo, Ron Paul, all talked about secure borders. The RNC and the Bushites ran screaming from the idea. And too many bush-bots here ALSO poo-poohed the notion of securing our borders.
The ONLY way to get the jihadi’s attention is to inform their sponsors, Saudi Arabia, et al, that the next terrorist attack anywhere in the world will result in the immediate complete and total destruction of Mecca. Then follow through. City by “holy” city. Put the onus on the sponsors to stop it or be vaporized. There is no other way I can think of that would have the ghost of a possibility of working.
The people in the mid east have the society and government THEY WANT. If they dislike it, it is THEIR job to do and THEIR blood to spill to get it done, NOT OURS. WE have shed way too much blood for too many “causes” and gotten nothing but shafted in return, by the very people we “saved.” NO MORE. Let these people shed their OWN blood instead of OURS.
With (no) respect to your claim that we get attacked whenever we don’t maintain an occupation force overseas, that just won’t wash. If you think it will, please provide cites and links.
If we pull our troops home, where they belong, while maintaining a forward naval presence together with the Maritime Pre-positioning Squadrons, we don’t NEED the occupation troops abroad AND we can project force where ever it might be needed. Then, if an army is needed they can deploy and have adequate stocks of equipment and munitions available til the resupply line is set up.
There is no excuse, whatsoever, for spilling OUR blood for others unwilling to spend their own. Never has been, for that matter. And on top of that, after we’ve spent our blood and our childrens’ blood, we are asked to also PAY THE BILLS. How many scores of billions did we pay to rebuild Iraq? When we were told that their oil monies would cover it? How many billions? No, that is NOT permissible under our Constitution and it does NOTHING to keep us one iota safer.
And what I learned in the Marine Corps was that I owe allegiance to the Constitution and the American People, that I need to respect and see the Constitution obeyed by government, that what is not specifically allowed for government to do, is PROHIBITED to it. What did YOU learn, presuming you served?
OK. Now, turning to more modern times, how often has Afghanistan been conquered and by whom? (Since the advent of firearms in the hands of the Afghans.) The Brits couldn’t; the Soviets couldn’t; WE aren’t gonna be able to do it, especially the way we’ve been going about things. So what to do? I say it’s long past time to get our folks out of the target zone and get ‘em home. (That, by the way, is ALSO the feeling of a lot of mid-level and senior staff NCOs that I’ve talked with who are just back from there. They are not allowed to win and so there’s no reason to paint one more bullseye on one more American troop for no good purpose.)
2 in Viet Nam with the 7.17th Air Cav, 3 in Germany on the border with the 2nd ACR and another 3 in Bragg with XVIII Abn Corp Arty Aviation Sec.
I too took the oath and adhere to it, but not by some kooks interpretation of the constitution. You all don't hold sole propriety on that either.
Like it or not, the founding fathers gave us a process to amend the constitution as felt needed. You don't like the amendments, work to repeal them.
Good luck getting more Muslims on our side by threatening them. In case you didn't pay attention, Jihadists kill them readily to and would gladly bring down a nuke on Mecca to get the rest of the Muslims on their side.
Or do you not also realize in every war we relied on spies from the inside? No, we do not have enough yet, but why should we when people like you are ready to nuke the innocents while the Jihadists will hide in caves in Afghanistan?
Wasn't it Hitler and his Nazi's who approached similar retribution against innocents if one of his was killed?
At well over one billion, you will have a difficult time wiping them all out. Or, didn't the Marines teach you to count?
Hate to break it to you, but do you think there would be an America if France, Spain and the Netherlands all agreed, “The people in the colonies have the society and government THEY WANT. If they dislike it, it is THEIR job to do and THEIR blood to spill to get it done, NOT OURS?”
Or, do you not realize we gained our freedoms with their help? We did not do it alone!
I learned plenty, I wonder if you actually did!!!
The major fallacy to your statement is assuming ae are trying to conquer Afghanistan, we are not there to conquer them.
Yes, many enlisted, NCO’s at all levels and even officers don’t want to be there, but they keep returning.
Guess what? We didn’t want to be in Viet Nam, Korea or even Europe of the Pacific Islands in WW2 either.
But, like during Viet Nam, when there are so many denigrating the mission, morale plummets as the Troops are left feeling as if no one supports them any longer.
The old “I support the Troops, but not the war” doesn’t cut it.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/26/troops-hope-sacrifices-not-in-vain/
If you feel the need to rail against anything, rail against the ridiculous ROE’s that tie our Troops hands.
Maybe it's about time we realized we can't build up democracies in the ME...the best we can do over there, is contain the crazies (sadly)
...by demonstrating that if they %&$@()^ with the United States, we will not hesitate to destroy them, and I mean, throughly destroy them.
The politicians will NEVER name the enemy.
The last one who did? -Was Sir Winston Churchill.
“If we’d fought WW2 the way we’re fighting this “war on terror” (and I include Dubya as well as Obama) we’d still be working our way through Normandy and Guadalcanal.”
Ain’t that the truth.
Back then we accidentally and intentionally killed civilians on the enemy side, and it worked.
Today we are obsessed with the idea that to win, we can’t kill civilians on the enemy side, and it isn’t working.
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