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To: piytar
“Modern Evolutionary Synthesis” Got a good link for that? Somewhat interested in this topic, not rabid either way.

Plug it into your favorite search engine along with "Ronald Fisher evolution" and "Edmund Ford evolution" for starters.

Do see a problem with just random mutation plus natural selection creating a functional 750 megabyte piece of code (est of info content of human DNA) even over billions of years. That’s why I think the modern ToE is at least missing some parts.

It isn't the ToE that's missing parts (although it is incomplete like most scientific models and theories). What you cite are strawmen propagated by anti-evolutionists. "Random mutation and natural selection" leaves out the effects of the order and consistency of natural laws. Look up "cumulative selection and protein domains" to find out why the mathematical models used to calculate the probability of DNA occurring by chance used by anti-evolutionists is wrong. Also look up "whole genome duplication" and "polyploidy" to see how genetic information can be doubled rather quickly. Look up the "Triangle of U" and "comparitive genomics", too.

Look up "Monte Carlo Methods" and "genetic programming" to see how random events can be used to increase information.

For the record, I see evolution as the tool God used to create us and other life.

I have no problem with God and Creation either provided that such beliefs correspond well with the preponderance of evidence.

21 posted on 12/22/2009 11:27:14 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

+1


22 posted on 12/22/2009 11:33:24 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Moonman62

Interesting terms — will look them up. Hence, BTTT...


26 posted on 12/22/2009 12:17:39 PM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Moonman62

Gotta add: aren’t “missing parts” and “incomplete like most scientific models and theories” the same thing? More succinctly, aren’t “missing parts” and “imcomplete” actually synonymous? That’s all I was saying.

That said, you’re pointing to “cumulative selection and protein domains” was very helpful. Never really dug into that before. Answers a lot of questions I’ve had re: info content of DNA. Good stuff.

(BTW, my baliwack is really physics — or was, I’ve been out of it for a while. Still, this stuff is a fun read for me.)


28 posted on 12/22/2009 12:34:49 PM PST by piytar (Ammo is hard to find! Bought some lately? Please share where at www.ammo-finder.com)
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To: Moonman62

Didn’t offend me. As any designer of complex systems will attest they always have one or more boxes or clouds on the systems flowchart labelled something like “And a miracle happens here.” But unlike us mere human programmers, God actually pulled it off. No one knows how.


65 posted on 12/23/2009 6:05:31 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! May God and TEA save the Republic!!)
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To: Moonman62

In both monte carlo statistical analysis and genetic programming randomization is used to color in a paint-by-numbers design — the design is that which designed by designers — the random events do not create any information at all.

Genetic programming is like an example covered in a few chapters of Dawkin’s book, where he writes a BASIC program to draw stick figures, in a random progression. In that it HE THE DESIGNER who adds information — first by providing the platform on which the software runs, and second by coding the program, third by executing it, fourth by observing the output in each stage, fifth by selecting which output he likes, sixth by feeding back that selection into the system, and seventh by reiterating again and again.

Seven steps like seven days. Very parallel!


77 posted on 01/03/2010 4:36:10 PM PST by bvw
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