I realize there will be no minds changed.
Interesting. Thanks for the link to the article.
The timing of this article from the Pravda Media (National Geographic has run numerous digitally forged photos) is suspicious.
Good thing too, because he really hasn't.
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Sample of one. Therefore all must be like that one. I’m sorry, I must have slept through the part of logic class where they did “unus est ergo totus est”.
I’m agnostic on the Shroud of Turin, but the sloppy conjectures of this article demonstrate that at least the author has a bias against the authenticity of the shroud.
YAWN. The global warmers at Nat Geo again.
Note to National Geographic: Mohammed is still dead and Jesus is alive no matter who was wound in any shroud.
yep, back then they MUST have used IDENTICAL shrouds for EVERYONE. Even if buried in a borrowed (from a wealthy man) tomb.
I have no idea if the shroud of turin is legit (lean towards yes) but articles like this are crap.
dateline Dec 3000
“Bodies discovered in simple wooden boxes in “Potter’s Field” suggest that other burials in elborate coffins date from a different period.”
A single example is a poor basis on which to spin conclusions about burial textiles in ancient Judea. Unlike a leper, a first quality burial cloth would likely have used for Jesus due to the devotion of his followers and the wealth of Joseph of Arimathea.
The next-best evidence is what happened: apostles who had seen their master crucified became ignited with a zeal to make known the wonderful news that Jesus had risen from the dead.
Either the physical, bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ happened, or it didn't. If it didn't, then his disciples would have remained broken, dejected, disappointed at his death. If it did happen, then what happened would have happened... they would have done what they did, made known to the world the glorious truth that Jesus conquered the grave.
Placing faith in a cloth will ultimately lead to disappointment. Placing faith in the Risen Lord will never disappoint.
I do not think this proves anything one way or the other.
That said, nobody seems to be noticing the offensive nature of what is being said and done, here. They're in Gehenna for crying out loud, in the Field Of Blood, Aceldama, the potter's field bought to bury criminals and such, bought with the 30 pieces of silver from Judas Iscariot.
The man's body was wracked with disease and buried in a potter's field. Just how is the quality of the cloth he was bound with, not a burial shroud mind you, in any way related to the perhaps legendary burial shroud of Jesus Christ?
It's not.
These people, supposed objective scientists, show their hand again and again, and apparently aren't even aware that they're doing it. Not so bright.
What beef do people on this forum have with the Shroud of Turin? This is about the 15th time this same story has been posted.
I know zero Christians who have founded their faith on the Shroud. But I do know this: Wherever God in Christ has manifested His will and Word in this world you can count on the devil immediately staking out a Gypsy camp all over the top of it and opening up a spiritual whorehouse. "Controversy" to this world is smoke telling of a fire somewhere.
Why doesn't National Geographic expend as much energy "proving" the Ka'abah, the object of veneration by more than a billion Muslims, is just a rock?
Why so much "controversy" over a couple of acres of high ground in Jerusalem?
"The discoverer is not someone who set out to debunk anything?"
Right.
The Shroud of Turin discussion has always been an argument without a controversy. People may believe it 'is or isn't.' I confess to fantasizing about how fun it would be to prove that it is. Of course, no one could ever prove that.
Whether it is or isn't has zip to do with the central facts of the life of Jesus. The 'I am the way the truth and the life' part and the 'God-man/man-God' part and the resurrection part still remain matters of faith as is the 'greatest commandment' part. Quite simply, there isn't a single translated word of any part of the New Testament that is altered a single degree by the Shroud of Turin being an 'is' or an 'isn't.'
Faith is both a destination and a gift. I struggle toward it day after day. Some days I think I'm there. Then the next day I think I'm a million miles away. The Shroud of Turin can't change that.
More smoke blowing. Nat. Geographic is very good at that.
Why does it matter to you that minds change?
As the Documenting Photographer for the project, I felt a responsibility to complete what I began, and make available some of the 2700 photographs and other materials I collected during the four years of the project. And finally tell the story of what took place in my own words and from my perspective. Frankly, I am still Jewish, yet I believe the Shroud of Turin is the cloth that wrapped the man Jesus after he was crucified. That is not meant as a religious statement, but one based on my privileged position of direct involvement with many of the serious Shroud researchers in the world, and a thorough knowledge of the scientific data, unclouded by media exaggeration and hype.