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Protests Spread, While Growing Larger And More Violent [Iran]
Strategy Page ^ | December 24, 2009

Posted on 12/25/2009 12:07:18 AM PST by myknowledge

After three decades, the revolution is returning. Back the government of the Shah was corrupt and unpopular, and the small businessmen and clerics supported widespread discontent, which evolved into massive demonstrations that the security forces were not willing to put down with force. It's different this time, in that hundreds of thousands of hard core government supporters are in the Revolutionary Guard. Unlike the shah's forces, the Revolutionary Guard contains a lot of Islamic true believers, who will shoot to kill. They have already done this. Will they do it on a large enough scale to intimidate most Iranians? The government, a religious dictatorship, is betting on that. Meanwhile, the Revolutionary Guard has become a stronger, and more independent, force in Iran over the last few years. That's largely because the leaders of the Revolutionary Guard have successfully defied orders from the religious leadership, to sell off their growing commercial empire. It's control of most of the nations major companies, that provides the financial incentives for religious leaders to stay in control of the country. But the Revolutionary Guard has a lot of non-clerics in charge. But these Revolutionary Guard leaders are still Islamic radicals, ready to kill for the cause. The most numerous killers, that the Iranian clerics can depend on, belong to the Revolutionary Guard. The government has recently warned opponents in the government, including many senior clerics and officials, that they would be held responsible, and punished, if the opposition demonstrations continued, and became more aggressive and violent.

The government is also using its agents to threaten Iranian exiles who express anti-government sentiments. These attacks are usually carried out so they look like crimes, but some are more explicit, especially when the exiled Iranian is not getting the message. There have been some murders as well, but these are avoided, because they bring more attention from local police.

The government continues to ignore, or reject, international pressure to halt its missile and nuclear weapons programs. In response, the U.S. is urging the use of the kind of financial sanctions (restricting access to the international banking system) that got North Korea's attention. Unlike North Korea, which is broke, Iran has all that oil money to play with. But even threadbare North Korea made a big fuss when their banking system access was messed with. In the past few years, the U.S. has used its power over the major world banks to crack down on those who have, in the past, helped Iran bypass banking sanctions. These banks have been fined (in one recent case, over half a billion dollars) and warned of harsher punishments if they assist sanctioned nations in the future. While Iran could still find ways to move some of its money in the face of tighter banking sessions, they would have big problems using a lot of their oil wealth for illegal activities.

The U.S. has backed Iranian claims of innocence when it comes to supporting Shia tribal rebels in northern Iran. This means that the U.S. is telling Yemen and Saudi Arabia that their evidence of such meddling is either misinformed, or a lie. Yemen and Saudi Arabia are not amused, Iran is bemused. The U.S. is more willing to believe that Iran is aiding Palestinian terror group Hamas, which currently uses the hundreds of millions of dollars of Iranian cash to maintain control over Gaza, and 40 percent of the Palestinian population.

The Iraqi government is still trying to figure out what Iran was trying to accomplish by recently moving a few troops into a tiny piece of Iraqi territory in the south. Iran believes the current border should be farther west, and Iraq was told that there were no Iranian troops in Iraq. The Iraqi government eventually sent the army and police to ask the Iranian troops to withdraw. Meanwhile, the incident they caused widespread anti-Iranian demonstrations in Iraq.

The anti-government demonstrations, triggered by the recent death of pro-reform Ayatollah Montazeri have spread from Qom, where Montazeri's funeral was recently held. The growing number of demonstrations, and their increasing size, is forcing the government to either get more violent, or back down. If more violence is used, demonstrators will get killed, providing martyrs for the opposition and feeding a spiral of growing violence.

It recently became widely known that the U.S. Army discovered, last year, that Iranian supported Iraqi militias were using a $26 satellite signal eavesdropping program to tap into unencrypted video from U.S. UAVs. There is not yet any evidence that the terrorists in Iraq or Afghanistan have done anything with this capability, but it was embarrassing to the U.S. military. Encryption is to be added quickly. Iranian hackers are believed to have discovered the vulnerability, and how to exploit it.

December 23, 2009: Saudi Arabian media revealed that, a month ago, one of the daughters of Osama bin Laden (17 year old Iman), escaped from her guards in Iran, and sought sanctuary in the Saudi embassy there. Saudi Arabia is negotiating with Iran to get Iman out of the country, and back to Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden has several wives, and 19 children. Apparently, one of those wives, and her five children (Eman and five older brothers) have been held, under house arrest, in Iran for the last eight years. Her father lost his Saudi citizenship 1994, shortly after she was born. Osama bin Laden fled to Afghanistan in 1996, and has been there, or in Pakistan, ever since. Bin Ladens father is from Yemen, but moved to Saudi Arabia in the 1930s, and made a huge fortune in construction. Osama is one of about fifty brothers and sisters, most of whom have disowned him for his terrorist activities. Most of these children have distanced themselves from their father, and have never been involved with terrorism. At least one of Osama's sons, Saad, was believed to have been killed recently by a U.S. Hellfire missile in Pakistan.

Iran successfully test fired another of their new, solid fuel, Sejil 2 ballistic missiles. This one has a range of 2,000 kilometers, and can reach Israel.

December 22, 2009: Opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi has been fired form his last remaining government job (as president of the Academy of Art). Mousavi ran for president last June, and lost, in a disputed election, to incumbent Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. The government has also been sending its Revolutionary Guards (in uniform and civilian clothes) to harass or even beat up senior clergy or anyone else who is prominent and expresses anti-government sentiments. The government wants to prevent the rise of any widely known people to become leaders of the growing opposition. But an increasing number of government officials are, publicly or privately, expressing dissatisfaction with the clerical dictatorship that has run the government for nearly three decades.

December 21, 2009: The funeral for Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri in Qom, turned into a major anti-government demonstration. Cell phones and the internet were used to report this throughout the country, as the government controlled media ignored the violence.

Iranian troops left the disputed territory, just across the border in Iraq, that they had occupied for the last four days. Iraq moved troops to the site of the incursion, and this apparently made the Iranians believe it was time to leave. The two countries announced that they would hold talks to try and settle outstanding border disputes.

December 19, 2009: Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri died of old age, at 87, in the city of Qom (considered the capital of the religious establishment, because so many seminaries are located there.) Last July, Montazeri criticized the clerics running the country, the first time such a high ranking cleric had done so. Statements like this give reform minded clerics the opportunity to preach against the government. This is where the government is vulnerable. If the rebellion starts coming out of mosques, especially after Friday (the Moslem Sunday) services, the government is in trouble.

In the face of growing anger (at home and abroad) about arrested protestors dying in custody, the government admitted that three protestors, arrested during the mass demonstrations last June, were beaten to death in prison. Three prison officials are to be tried for the deaths. But no one expects any government officials to suffer, as that would be a big blow to morale in the security forces.

December 17, 2009: About a hundred Iranian troops, and two armored vehicles, crossed the Iraqi border in the south, and surrounded an inoperative oil well just on the other side. This portion of the border is disputed by both nations (mainly because there is still a lot of oil underground here).

December 16, 2009: The Gulf Arab states have agreed to form a military rapid reaction force, that could quickly confront any military mischief the Iranians might come up with. Case in point is the Iranian backed Shia rebellion in northern Yemen.

December 14, 2009: The government decided to put three American tourists, who wandered over the unmarked border in northern Iraq while hiking earlier this year, and were seized by nearby security forces, on trial for espionage. Apparently the government believes it can get some good propaganda out of the exercise (to distract Iranians from the growing anti-government violence), and then extract a concession from the U.S., for the freedom of the three, after the tourists are sentenced to long prison terms.

December 11, 2009: A Russian built, Il-76 air transport was seized in Thailand, after police found that the crew were carrying false documents, and that the cargo, from North Korea, was actually 35 tons of weapons, including components for a North Korean ballistic missile with a range of 6,000 kilometers. The cargo, or at least the missile components, were eventually found to be headed for Iran (which currently has ballistic missiles that can go no farther than 2,000 kilometers). Iran has been buying ballistic missiles, and related technology, from North Korea, for over two decades. North Korea is currently banned (by international sanctions) from exporting such technology, and Iran is banned from importing it.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crackdown; iran; iranprotests; revolutionaryguard
The Iranians so dearly hate their Ahmadinedictator with a passion. In return for the oppression, they get all this?
1 posted on 12/25/2009 12:07:18 AM PST by myknowledge
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To: myknowledge

IMO, the Shah looks damned good compared to this lot.

Carter did his best to betray the Shah, and the people of Iran paid dearly for it. I know that there were protests in the Shah’s day, but not all the people in Iran hated him. The loud mouth rebellious college crowd did. Other radicals coaxed them on.

All those that say the Shah was terrible, need to think of the fact he wouldn’t use violence to put down the rebellion in his day. That sure can’t be said of this bunch.

Good luck people of Iran. You’ll need it.


2 posted on 12/25/2009 12:39:52 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Good luck. And a prayer. Other than that - that’s probably all they’ll get from the U.S. at the moment. Maybe a speech, but I doubt even that.


3 posted on 12/25/2009 12:49:58 AM PST by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: 21twelve

I’m not convinced it would be wise for the loose cannon we have to address it.

If he says the wrong thing the government could claim the U.S. was behind the protests. And this guy and his crew haven’t a clue when it comes to finesse


4 posted on 12/25/2009 1:07:11 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: myknowledge
Protests Spread, While Growing Larger And More Violent

When I read this about America, we will have a chance again.

5 posted on 12/25/2009 3:17:18 AM PST by Lazamataz (DEFINITION: rac-ist (rA'sis't) 1. Anyone who disagrees with a liberal about any topic.)
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To: myknowledge
December 17, 2009: About a hundred Iranian troops, and two armored vehicles, crossed the Iraqi border in the south, and surrounded an inoperative oil well just on the other side. This portion of the border is disputed by both nations (mainly because there is still a lot of oil underground here).

And they continued to live why???? God save this country.

6 posted on 12/25/2009 3:42:03 AM PST by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: myknowledge
Protests Spread, While Growing Larger And More Violent

After our government just stole our health insurance, this could be the next headline for America.

7 posted on 12/25/2009 4:04:53 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Lazamataz

You and I think alike.


8 posted on 12/25/2009 4:05:19 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: trooprally

Bookmark


9 posted on 12/25/2009 4:59:05 AM PST by trooprally (Never Give Up - Never Give In - Remember Our Troops)
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To: Lazamataz

Protests Spread, While Growing Larger And More Violent

When I read this about America, we will have a chance again.

This HAS been happening in America, didn’t you see all of the coverage by the MSM about the Tea-Parties ? (except the violent part)

The USA is following a long-used formula for putting down protest ... don’t report it to the masses and it never happened.


10 posted on 12/25/2009 5:25:53 AM PST by sawmill trash
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To: DoughtyOne
Carter did his best to betray the Shah, and the people of Iran paid dearly for it.

We should make sure they have plenty of Carter placards to deface and some burn-ready Carter effigies for future demonstrations.

Always trying to help.

11 posted on 12/25/2009 5:39:45 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: myknowledge

I hope everyone at Free Republic are taking notes - It would appear we have a preview of what is going to happen in this country next spring.

Yes, I do mean revolutionary developments....


12 posted on 12/25/2009 6:17:14 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: SkyPilot

The way I see the President Zero & Company threw down the gauntlet with the illegal passage of socialized medicine - It was tantamount to a declaration of war against the American People.

So be it.

Therefore, we lovers of liberty have every legal and moral right to take any action - fair or foul - against the Leftist oligarchy that controls the government of our country.


13 posted on 12/25/2009 6:27:23 AM PST by Ronbo1948
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

LOL, I’m not even sure if the Iranians understand how badly Carter screwed them. He telegraphed the U.S. would no longer support the Shah. He let France know it was only a matter of time before Komanie (sp?) could go back.

The dissidents were emboldened. The Shah was left twisting in the breeze.

Unless the Shah was going to turn the nation into a police state, he was finished.

The very thing the outside world accused the Shah of being, he refused to become.

I know the Shah was a tough character. In the Middle-East you sometimes have to be. There are factions that go against each other violently, and you have to keep that under control.

The Shah was tough, but he was also enlightened to a degree. He opened up Iran to the West. He allowed progress for women and didn’t allow the more violent of Muslim sects to dominate the people.

When he left, all bets were off. Oppression on a grand scale ensued, but of course the same left that said nothing when millions of Asians were slaughtered after we left, said nothing when the Iranians saw real oppression after the Shah left.

The Shah’s big sin, was that he was pro western civilization.

There’s always a theme on these things. Pro western, bad. Pro dark ages, good.


14 posted on 12/25/2009 7:28:57 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Merry Christmas to you. I’ll be back later this afternoon to check out your posts.


15 posted on 12/25/2009 7:29:29 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: DoughtyOne; All
And Merry Christmas to y'all.

I wouldn't mind doing a Carter protest myself:

Signs with a circle and slash over his picture.
Posters with slogans; "May a thousand fleas infest his armpits!"
"Jimmie Carter; incompetent, incontinent!"

We could send videotapes to show them how to do it. How much trouble could they get into for protesting Carter?

16 posted on 12/25/2009 8:16:33 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: myknowledge

Damn. I was hoping that this was about anti-dictatorship protests in the US...


17 posted on 12/25/2009 8:24:50 AM PST by upstanding
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To: upstanding


Damn. I was hoping that this was about anti-dictatorship protests in the US...

Obama likes rigged elections in the USA...
and elsewhere.


18 posted on 12/25/2009 8:38:57 AM PST by VOA
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To: SolidWood; nuconvert; LibreOuMort

Praying that 2010 sees the end of the mullahcracy.


19 posted on 12/25/2009 8:39:44 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Lazamataz
Protests Spread, While Growing Larger And More Violent

When I read this about America, we will have a chance again.

When I saw the title I actually wondered what part of the U.S., and who was involved...

Unfortunately I think it most likely that when this does happen in the U.S., it will be those dependent on government handouts not getting their benefits due to the financial problems / bankruptcy of the state / federal government, rather than conservatives protesting to restore the Constitutional Republic.

But I think it's something to get ready for.

Hang in there Laz, I think our day is coming...

20 posted on 12/25/2009 9:05:02 AM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash...)
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To: myknowledge
" At least one of Osama's sons, Saad, was believed to have been killed recently by a U.S. Hellfire missile in Pakistan."

The "voice" of (long-dead) Osama on those audio tapes?

21 posted on 12/25/2009 9:33:42 AM PST by cookcounty (Let us not speak of the honor of men. Rather, let us bind them with the Constitution. --Jefferson)
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To: Lazamataz

22 posted on 12/25/2009 10:11:33 AM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Carter did his best to betray the Shah, and the people of Iran paid dearly for it.

It is very likely that the result of Carter's actions lead to the Iran Iraq war where half a million people died...blood on Carter's hands. Until Obama Carter was the worst president in history, and it's taking alot to surpass his level of harm.

23 posted on 12/25/2009 10:22:19 AM PST by highlander_UW (Democrats used to be just the party of corruption, now they are the party of treason as well)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Probably, not much at all. I’m sure the leaders of Iran find Carter contemptible. Just because some dingbat westerner foolishly advances their cause, they don’t all of a sudden respect them. This is one of Obama’s core blind-spots too. He simply doesn’t get it.


24 posted on 12/26/2009 11:22:47 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: highlander_UW

I’ve seen estimates that range from a little over 500 thousand to as high as 1.2 million. Figures are tossed around rather loosely concerning this war, as if K&W were interchangeable with KIA. I don’t think anyone knows exactly what the numbers were.

I have referred to 1 million having been killed. At one time I read something to lead me to believe roughly half a million had been killed on each side. That may be too high. I’m not convinced it is.

Whatever the true number, the war was an evil enterprise, Hussein burning off hundreds of thousands if not over a million youth total for both sides.

He was an evil man.

As for Carter, it never seems to bother the left, the genocide that results from their actions. They just move on to bring their magic to new nations.

Vietnam, Iran, South Africa... the trail of destruction is pronounced. I know you won’t, but others shouldn’t hold their breath expecting the left to take ownership of destructive nature of their victories.

They never have, and they never will.

And so goes the United States today. Social Security and Medicare going bust, who to do but tack on another massive government program that will dwarf everything the preceded it.


25 posted on 12/26/2009 11:41:44 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: DoughtyOne
who to do SB what to do

above

26 posted on 12/26/2009 11:43:27 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I’ve seen estimates that range from a little over 500 thousand to as high as 1.2 million.

I cited the low end of the spectrum, although I have read the higher end as well. But either way Carter has the blood of at least a half million souls on his hands. An evil man, and no doubt about it.

27 posted on 12/26/2009 9:18:58 PM PST by highlander_UW (Democrats used to be just the party of corruption, now they are the party of treason as well)
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To: Lazamataz
"Protests Spread, While Growing Larger And More Violent

When I read this about America, we will have a chance again. "

I really hate that idea, if only because it brings to mind the speech from "The Patriot" when Benjamin Martin explained his vote to turn down a levy in support of the War of Independence.

However, in the back of my head I can't help but think that the 'powers that be' are leaving no other recourse. I just hope that a list of names that may not be so public are being kept when extradition treaties are enforced.

28 posted on 12/26/2009 9:47:01 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: highlander_UW

True. And we don’t know how many were purged in Iran subsequent to the takeover of the Ayatollah’s either. They have great figures on the Shah’s deeds though. I’ve read a bit about them, and they seem quite low to be honest.

I’m not here to defend the indefensible, but in Iran you’re either a strong man to a certain degree, or you’re toast.

The Shah wasn’t that bad a guy, opening up Iran to the West and allowing his populace including women to live enlightened lives.

Thanks for the comments.


29 posted on 12/27/2009 8:11:02 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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