[maica]

I cannot tell you how many times I have heard “we have to pay for health outcomes” but no one ever challenges what that means.

If the patient dies, does the doctor not get paid?

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It is another airey-fairey utopian idea that “good” doctors will have “healthier” patients.
In reality, sometimes having a healthy patient takes doing nothing; sometimes it takes serious, lengthy, expensive interventions. Sometimes patients die. But our addle-brained utopians ‘believe’ that a committee of bureaucrats can judge how much a doctor can earn by the “outcomes’ of his patients.

That same idea works really well for public school teachers, too!

[rodguy911]

Probably one of the most glaring omissions of obmacare is how the doctors were systematically omitted from much of the discussions.

It's as if they took over an automobile company and put in charge people that didn't know what they were doing.

( Uh oh yeah.....they did....)

[altura]

My son is sensible but has a liberal mindset because ... well, I don’t really know why, but he started talking about health care and seemed to feel that we should ‘do something’ about those who have no insurance and he’s willing to support ‘something’ even tho he knows there’ll be fraud. I cut off the discussion at this point because, hey, it’s Christmas and he lives 600 miles away (but still in Texas).