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Mormon Times ^ | Dec. 30, 2009 | Joel Campbell

[Elsie]

I will accept your lack of denial as an admission.

Your Honor:

I request a new attorney!

[Elsie]

 

All these fundamentalists without the courage of their convictions.

 

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In a landscape far, far away (For a Hoosier boy, 50 years ago - Denver was QUITE foreign), walking back to Lowry Airbase after midnight on a cool late fall night morning, ruminating over the late night TY show (something about miracles at Lourdes), I found myself stating what I'd heard in school: Big Bang, Evolution, etal - I dismissed the show as fiction; a religion advertisement, a sawdust trail appeal.

Looking up at the brilliant pinpoints of light, sparkling in the high plains air, I thought of how they came to be.

Einstein's formula - E=Mc² floated up from memory...

Knowing that the equation can be turned around to M=E/c² I thought, "Yeah! All that MASS up there now shining down - it appeared after the tremendous energy burst of the Big Bang! The rest is history."

Almost back at the gate, confident that I'd figgered it out; an almost audible thought(?) came to me...

"Where did the ENERGY come from?"

At that time; I had no answer.

[Elsie]

Are you willing to defend your beliefs or do you want to run away?

And I don't play defense.

[Elsie]

I will not play your game.

The TarBaby will NOT be happy!

[Elsie]

...and his sister fell over!

[Elsie]

I have asked this question before from the Mormon apostates, but have never gotten an intelligible answer.

Oh... I'll bet you HAVE; it's probably just that you didn't AGREE with their answer.

[Elsie]

 I was enrolled in a “Mission Preparation” class at BYU.

 

 

Did you get to hear THIS fellow?

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Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

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Timeline...    Subject...

 

0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."

1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."

2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."

3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

[Elsie]

Either the principles, teaching and oaths were eternal or they were not.

[metmom]

Or probably just not the answer he wanted to hear.

[metmom]

No kidding.....

[LeGrande]

Thank you for your reply. It actually helped answer a few questions.

I also found your comment about the difference between converts and BIC to be enlightening, but I think in my case I was a born skeptic and a slow learner : )

I too found the difference between the beliefs and facts to be disconcerting. That is why I left, but I have continued to be amazed by the same disconnect everywhere I look.

[LeGrande]

"Where did the ENERGY come from?"

Which is another way of saying where did the mass come from? They are equivalent. Energy and mass are simply waves of nothing.

If you take it one step further to QM you will see the answer in the spontaneous pair production. In the final equation it all balances out.

The big bang, expansion of the universe, energy, matter, etc. Can all be explained from the particle anti particle spontaneous creation that occurs all the time. The energy balance stays the same though, zero. : ) Something really does come from nothing and it will go back to nothing too.

[metmom]

Something really does come from nothing ....

So the Bible really is right. Imagine that....

[LeGrande]

Something really does come from nothing ....

So the Bible really is right. Imagine that....

Which part of the Bible says that?

[metmom]

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

[LeGrande]

I naively thought you were going to refer to Genesis.

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.

Where is the something from nothing there?

Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

This is actually the more interesting part and confirmed by Einstein, light, life and matter are one and the same.

You may find this of use someday : ) Mormon teachings directly conflict with ex nihilo doctrine. The Mormon God does not create something from nothing. Ergo the Mormon God is not omnipotent.

[Elsie]

Something really does come from nothing and it will go back to nothing too.

Ah...

FAITH!

[Elsie]

This is actually the more interesting part and confirmed by Einstein, light, life and matter are one and the same.

I've missed this part...

[Elsie]

This is actually the more interesting part and confirmed by Einstein, light, life and matter are one and the same.

I've missed this part...

[Elsie]

The Mormon God does not create something from nothing. Ergo the Mormon God is not omnipotent.

How do you know he COULDn't if he WANTED to?

Maybe he be layin' low 'til something REALLY fancy is needed!

(Thanks for the tip though.)

http://www.atheistnexus.org/group/exmormonatheists/forum/topics/antidepressant-use-in-utah