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New Research: Why Never Spanking Might Be Worse for Kids Than Spanking Them
Newsweek ^ | December 30, 2009 | Po Bronson

Posted on 12/31/2009 9:19:58 AM PST by Arec Barrwin

New Research: Why Never Spanking Might Be Worse for Kids Than Spanking Them

Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:00 AM By Po Bronson

In NurtureShock, we described some extensive cross-ethnic and international research on spanking by Drs. Jennifer Lansford and Ken Dodge.

Their data suggested that if a culture views spanking as the normal consequence for bad behavior, kids aren’t damaged by its occasional use.

To explain this shocker, the scholars suggested that in cultures or communities where spanking is common, parents are less agitated when administering spankings. Spanking almost never when combined with losing your temper can be worse than spanking frequently.*

But what about the third option: not spanking them at all?

Unfortunately, there’s been little study of this, because children who’ve never been spanked aren’t easy to find. Most kids receive physical discipline at least once in their life. But times are changing, and parents today have numerous alternatives to spanking. The result is that kids are spanked less often overall, and kids who’ve never been spanked are becoming a bigger slice of the pie in long-term population studies.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: drspock; newsweak; pravdamedia; reddiaperdoperbabies; spanking
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1 posted on 12/31/2009 9:19:58 AM PST by Arec Barrwin
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To: Arec Barrwin

I only got the belt twice as a kid. Both times, I had it coming in spades ;-)


2 posted on 12/31/2009 9:22:29 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Arec Barrwin
To explain this shocker, [...]

A shocker only to liberal idiots who read Newsweak (sic).

3 posted on 12/31/2009 9:22:31 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

You should spank your children every day. You may not know what they’ve done... but they do...


4 posted on 12/31/2009 9:23:13 AM PST by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Willful disobedience and behavior that endangers oneself or others are reasons to seriously consider the spanking option.


5 posted on 12/31/2009 9:28:09 AM PST by Starboard
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To: Gondring

Newsweek is atrocious, isn’t it? My far left sibling reads it religiously, and then parrots it.

The comments at the bottom of the article reveal the shock and anger of their regular viewers; i.e. “child buttock battering”. Egad.


6 posted on 12/31/2009 9:29:04 AM PST by I still care (A Republic - if you can keep it. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Arec Barrwin
Because they might grow up one day to become president after never being told "No!"


7 posted on 12/31/2009 9:29:08 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Beware the Green Menace, the socialists warning you of global warming under your bed are hysteric.)
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To: I still care

Barney Frank is busy mixing up some batter as we speak...


8 posted on 12/31/2009 9:29:44 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Beware the Green Menace, the socialists warning you of global warming under your bed are hysteric.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I was only spanked once, and boy did I never talk back to my mom ever again. Dad left his print on my back side.


9 posted on 12/31/2009 9:30:00 AM PST by JenB987
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To: Arec Barrwin
My brother was a cop in an area with lots of rich liberal professors, and countless times he'd have to pick up their little darlings and talk to the parents. Often, these parents would say something like, "Why would our child do something like this to us? We always gave them what they wanted...we never punished them...."

I wish I could recall some of my brother's witty lines to them. (It was a treat to do a ride-along with him wired up with a mic.)

10 posted on 12/31/2009 9:30:28 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Arec Barrwin
Always thought time out was dumb...A punishment for parents who might stop some kid's rotten behavior with one whack.

From my perspective, it put the parent in a corner...Dumb, dumb, dumb....

Every kid has a price...find out what it is...

11 posted on 12/31/2009 9:31:20 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Same here. Never got a lickin' that I didn't have coming.

Gad...I miss my Pa.

12 posted on 12/31/2009 9:31:27 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

It is a good idea to tell them what action(s) resulted in the discipline too. Otherwise they’ll just think they got a whoopin’ because Mommy/Daddy was in a bad mood/doesn’t like them/or is just likes tanning their hyde for no good reason.


13 posted on 12/31/2009 9:31:47 AM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afganistan and Iraq))
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To: Arec Barrwin

There is a huge difference in physical abuse and corrective, physical discipline. The libs and RINOs and wimpy conservatives who can’t figure out the difference, well, there’s the real problem right there. Common sense on the issue is gone for these folks.

It also illustrates that you can’t use a one-size-fits-all when it comes to disciplining children. Talking, time outs, etc just will not cut it with some people.


14 posted on 12/31/2009 9:31:53 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Looking for New Research that irrefutably proves spanking punk lib senators and representatives does some good.


15 posted on 12/31/2009 9:32:26 AM PST by lesko
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To: I still care
Sad thing is, those folks who read it think in all sincerity that they are becoming informed.
16 posted on 12/31/2009 9:33:33 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

YAWN.. So what else is new? What about “spare the rod and spoil the child” did Dr. Benjamin Spock not understand?


17 posted on 12/31/2009 9:33:41 AM PST by Paperdoll ( Hunter/Palin or Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I’ve never spanked either of my children (ages 15 and 12). Things aren’t going too badly.


18 posted on 12/31/2009 9:34:11 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I didn’t need “new research”, I relied on the 5,000 years of recorded history and spanked the daylights out of my kids. It was fun, and believe it or not, they appreciate it now (and even then, which surprised me). Obviously, I only went to the level needed to get some tears flowing.


19 posted on 12/31/2009 9:34:22 AM PST by BobL (When Democrats start to love this country more than they hate Republicans, good things might happen.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Oddly enough, now that I think about it I don’t know how to spank a child. I mean, that sounds stupid because it would seem elementary, but is it just one big flat smack on the rear, is it five, is it with a paddle or your hand. I need a “Spanking For Dummies” book. And please, no puns.


20 posted on 12/31/2009 9:34:29 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I always thought that kids was the reason for the invention of Duct Tape.


21 posted on 12/31/2009 9:34:36 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Hmmm.... Newsweek?

I guess spanking was only bad when Bush was president...


22 posted on 12/31/2009 9:37:26 AM PST by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: lesko

“spanking punk lib senators and representatives does some good.”

It won’t do any good- they PAY for their spankings;)


23 posted on 12/31/2009 9:37:29 AM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Arec Barrwin

I don’t know about spanking, but I see the logic in why Alligators eat their young.


24 posted on 12/31/2009 9:37:34 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Arec Barrwin

My memory is that I never spanked my kids, but I did discipline them. They all turned out great. None of them ever gave me—or anyone else—any serious grief. To check my memory I asked my oldest son on Christmas day if he ever remembered being spanked. He laughed and said he never remembered being spanked, but he did remember being “thunked” a few times—my knuckle on his head—not enough to make him cry, but enough to get his clear attention. I had forgotten all about that. I guess I did resort to physical force in disciplining my kids.


25 posted on 12/31/2009 9:37:48 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: Arec Barrwin
I see the direct difference with my in-laws. One sis-in-law got all caught up in "modern parenting", and never disciplined her twin daughters other than "time-outs". As a result, both are little monsters, and both have mental problems.

My other two sis-in-laws disciplined their kids with the needed "attention getters" applied to the posterior, and they turned out mostly normal---pretty good kids.

26 posted on 12/31/2009 9:39:15 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: pgyanke

Actually, the (biblically based) advice I’ve gotten was to spank them for any “first time” offense, because it is likely NOT the “first time”, just the first time you caught them.


27 posted on 12/31/2009 9:39:52 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I miss mine as well.


28 posted on 12/31/2009 9:40:37 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

If you are angry when you use the rod of chastisement, you’re doing it wrong...

cool off, calmly explain why they are being punished, and then chastise as appropriate.


29 posted on 12/31/2009 9:41:26 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
I always thought that kids was the reason for the invention of Duct Tape. Photobucket
30 posted on 12/31/2009 9:41:38 AM PST by digger48
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To: Arec Barrwin

Spanking definitely worked on me. It taught me in no uncertain terms that there were boundaries I dared not cross, and if I did, pain would follow.

I hated it then, but as I look back now, I understand why my Parents spanked me. I believe it made me a better person.


31 posted on 12/31/2009 9:42:03 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Bush at his worst was still better than Obama at his best.)
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To: pgyanke

“You better duck, you know you need it” was a joke around our house. I’d never hit them but I’d bring my hand up real quick next to them and they would wince, hence the phrase.


32 posted on 12/31/2009 9:42:43 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Paperdoll

Like most leftists, Dr Spock considers himself to be smarter than God.

“you will be like God, knowing good and evil”

ie,

you can consider yourself to be God, deciding what is good and evil, right and wrong, for yourself.


33 posted on 12/31/2009 9:42:52 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: digger48

Thanks. That was my first big laugh all day.


34 posted on 12/31/2009 9:43:12 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Ever heard
“silence is golden, but duct tape is silver”
?


35 posted on 12/31/2009 9:43:24 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Paperdoll

Yep, I deserved every spank I got, and even once a punch in the face for insulting my old man. I *really* respected him after that.


36 posted on 12/31/2009 9:43:41 AM PST by McKayopectate
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To: Arec Barrwin

My ex Brother in Law spared the rod, now he’s emptying his wallet on lawyers to keep his little darling from doing serious time for multiple, repeat offenses.

Still not allowing the kid to face the consequenses of his actions.


37 posted on 12/31/2009 9:44:56 AM PST by digger48
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To: domenad

My dad had a board with a set of holes drilled in it....One whack was usually enough.


38 posted on 12/31/2009 9:46:26 AM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: Secret Agent Man
There is a huge difference in physical abuse and corrective, physical discipline

Exactly, as a father of six, one-size-fits-all does not work

In my house there were three rules that guaranteed a quick corrective, physical discipline

1. Lying
2. Hitting sibling out of anger
3. Temper tantrum (passive rebellion)

39 posted on 12/31/2009 9:46:34 AM PST by Popman (Election 2010: Congress: your pink slips are coming ............... :)
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To: Arec Barrwin

What is this?
More words of wisdom from Captain Obvious?


40 posted on 12/31/2009 9:47:17 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Hoax and Chains is not the same as hope and change.)
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To: Fido969
I guess spanking was only bad when Bush was president...

That's right! Good catch! This is the ONLY reason Newsweak is putting this out because Michelle admitted that she spanked her girls.
41 posted on 12/31/2009 9:47:51 AM PST by McKayopectate
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To: Sacajaweau
Always thought time out was dumb

Depends on how it is done. I told my kids to think about what they had done and why it was wrong while in time out, then they had to tell me what they concluded and apologize to the offended person before I would let them out. Just putting them in time out accomplishes nothing.

42 posted on 12/31/2009 9:47:52 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: Arec Barrwin
I have always held the theory that the publishing of Dr Spock's famous “book” is the point of change between a great American society and the mess that we are in now.

I grew up during that time, and heard many people comment on the “new” way of rasing “better” children. If anyone had stopped to think about it, the current generation at that time had survived the great depression, won World War II, and built the largest free market economy in history. What was wrong with how they were raised? Turned out pretty good in my opinion.

Unfortunately, because this moron had “Dr.” in his name, the premise was accepted that there was something “wrong” with how kids were being raised, and this “doctor” had the answer.

Just about 50 years later, you only have to walk down the street to figure out who was correct!

43 posted on 12/31/2009 9:50:23 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Arec Barrwin

start spanking at an early age....never hurt any child....i even signed the form to spank my kids in school if they got out of hand...(they never did) but i wanted my kids to know i had signed it to put the fear into them....


44 posted on 12/31/2009 9:50:47 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: Arec Barrwin

Oh you can find kids who have never been spanked everywhere.

Spoiled rotten thinking it has got to be their way or no way.

Using drugs, speeding, cheating in school, and cheating in the workplace.

They’re everywhere.


45 posted on 12/31/2009 9:51:21 AM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: Popman

Lying was also the number one spanking offense in our household and all of the boys knew it.


46 posted on 12/31/2009 9:51:27 AM PST by Millicent_Hornswaggle (Retired US Marine wife)
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To: MrB

>you consideryourself to be God, deciding what is good and evil, right or wrong, for yourself.<

So that’s what makes Liberals the way they are - no discipline when young, getting away with “outsmarting” their parents, who should have known better. And now the rest of us have to sit here and take it!


47 posted on 12/31/2009 9:52:49 AM PST by Paperdoll ( Hunter/Palin or Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: McKayopectate

>> Yep, I deserved every spank I got, and even once a punch in the face for insulting my old man.

Once (during my personal Age of Infinite Wisdom, c. age 16) I said something snotty and profane to my mother at the dinner table.

My Dad was up out of his chair so quick and with such force that he threw the chair back and broke one of its legs. About a millisecond later came his (thankfully open) hand right square across my face.

That was the only time he ever hit me in the face. I had no idea he could move so quick. I deserved every bit of it. I was lucky he didn’t hit me even harder.

Both of my parents very occasionally practiced corporal punishment, essentially all of it before age ten. I can’t ever recall a time when it was excessive or when I didn’t deserve it.

I also can’t ever recall a time when either of my parents acted counter to what they considered my best interests. Of course, they and I disagreed about what was in my best interests, but everything they did, they did for us kids.

They were everyday heroes. Boy, do I miss them.


48 posted on 12/31/2009 9:56:39 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: PeaceBeWithYou
It is a good idea to tell them what action(s) resulted in the discipline too.

Exactly. Fanning the behind merely because a child made a mistake is child abuse. Fanning the behind over obvious misbehaviour is not. Too many parents don't know the difference.

And I emphasise fanning the behind. The minute a parent picks up a weapon, any weapon, other than their hand, that parent's guilty of child abuse.

49 posted on 12/31/2009 9:57:23 AM PST by BluesDuke (Let sleeping dogs lie, and you leave them open to perjury charges.)
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To: McKayopectate

There are spankings, . amd there are beatings One is for the good of the child, and the other is a way to vent the parent’s anger. I am sorry you were punched in the face. However, you may have even deserved that, for all I know. :)


50 posted on 12/31/2009 9:58:21 AM PST by Paperdoll ( Hunter/Palin or Palin/Hunter 2012)
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