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Israel says Iran nuclear plant immune to conventional strike
Space War ^ | 12/28/2009 | Staff Writers Via Space War

Posted on 12/31/2009 9:33:32 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak said on Monday that Iran's recently diclosed second uranium enrichment plant is "immune" to conventional bombing. "The new site near Qom is meant for enrichment. What was revealed by the Iranians had been built over years and is located in bunkers that cannot be destroyed through a conventional attack," Barak told parliament's foreign affairs and defence committee.

Iran notified the UN nuclear watchdog in September that it was building a second enrichment plant near the central shrine city of Qom, after Washington accused it of covertly evading its notification responsibilities under the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Confirmation of the construction work drew criticism not only from Western governments but also from the United Nations.

Enriched uranium can make the fuel for nuclear power plants but in highly extended form can also produce the fissile core of an atomic bomb.

Along with Western governments, Israel suspects Iran of seeking to develop a weapons capability under the guise of a civil nuclear programme, an accusation Tehran denies.

Along with its US ally, Israel, the region's sole if undeclared nuclear power, has refused to rule out a resort to military action to prevent Iran developing a bomb.

Barak said he feared Iran could develop a weapon by 2011.

"I believe that by early 2010 Iran will hold threshold technology (for building a bomb). That means that if it wanted, it could develop nuclear weapons within a year from obtaining threshold technology," a senior official quoted him as telling the parliamentary committee.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ehudbarak; enricheduranium; iran; israel; qom; uranium
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1 posted on 12/31/2009 9:33:33 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

We should try that theory out with a bunker buster some time and see how it goes IMO.


2 posted on 12/31/2009 9:35:35 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

We’ll see.


3 posted on 12/31/2009 9:36:10 PM PST by unkus
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To: A CA Guy

I would prefer one with a nuclear warhead to permanently put it out of commission


4 posted on 12/31/2009 9:36:22 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

yep. old news. they are too far underground


5 posted on 12/31/2009 9:37:58 PM PST by plain talk
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To: A CA Guy

The CIC-0bama is in charge of the weapons-good luck!


6 posted on 12/31/2009 9:38:31 PM PST by unkus
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To: sonofstrangelove
No problem...






7 posted on 12/31/2009 9:39:19 PM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts....)
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To: sonofstrangelove
The USA is beyond conventional weapons.
8 posted on 12/31/2009 9:39:29 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: unkus

Neutron Bomb instead maybe?


9 posted on 12/31/2009 9:39:31 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: sonofstrangelove
Israel says Iran nuclear plant immune to conventional strike

Is Israel telling us that a nuclear strike is the only option?

10 posted on 12/31/2009 9:40:59 PM PST by doc1019 (To call Obama a bumbling idiot would be an insult to bumbling idiots worldwide.)
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To: plain talk

all you need is a couple of kilotons(Robust Nuclear Bunker Buster)


11 posted on 12/31/2009 9:41:33 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: doc1019

Yes


12 posted on 12/31/2009 9:42:17 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Um...is he saying Israel might use a nuke to destroy it?


13 posted on 12/31/2009 9:42:26 PM PST by lacrew (The 274th trimester is a very late procedure)
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To: lacrew

Yes. Maybe a big one.


14 posted on 12/31/2009 9:44:48 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

nuke them, nuke them


15 posted on 12/31/2009 9:45:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: A CA Guy
We should try that theory out with a bunker buster some time and see how it goes IMO.

Wonder what 3 of those bad boys would do if spaced at 5 second apart intervals. Me thinks they would do a little deep digging.

16 posted on 12/31/2009 9:45:17 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Just nuke the damn place, damn it.


17 posted on 12/31/2009 9:45:23 PM PST by Mad Federalist
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To: A CA Guy

We’re screwed! Maybe.


18 posted on 12/31/2009 9:45:34 PM PST by unkus
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To: plain talk

Yep—very deep!


19 posted on 12/31/2009 9:47:22 PM PST by unkus
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B-61 Mod 11 could attack targets with much lower yield could do the job


20 posted on 12/31/2009 9:48:32 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: unkus

YUP there are multiple things out there that can put a quick screwage to us.


21 posted on 12/31/2009 9:49:48 PM PST by mcshot (Son of Liberty.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Don’t bring a bunker to a nuc party.
Usually, deep bunkers make good tombs.


22 posted on 12/31/2009 9:51:48 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: sonofstrangelove
How hard would it be to simply assassinate the Iranians running this program?
23 posted on 12/31/2009 9:56:25 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: sonofstrangelove
"I believe that by early 2010 Iran will hold threshold technology (for building a bomb). That means that if it wanted, it could develop nuclear weapons within a year from obtaining threshold technology," a senior official quoted him as telling the parliamentary committee.

Judging by past (Wrong!) intelligence estimates, I would guess they have 3-5 A-Bombs by now, well on their way to thermonuclear ones.

24 posted on 12/31/2009 9:57:39 PM PST by OCC
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To: sonofstrangelove
I guess we'll have to nuke the entire site from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

25 posted on 12/31/2009 9:58:56 PM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: OCC

They are already on their way to minitiurizing the bomb which will allow them to MIRV and work on a hydrogen bomb.


26 posted on 12/31/2009 9:59:27 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: The Cajun

At least we might find Jimmy Hoffa?


27 posted on 12/31/2009 10:00:25 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: willgolfforfood

28 posted on 12/31/2009 10:00:51 PM PST by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: mcshot

It depends.

It depends what side you are on. When the $hit hits the fan the results will be of biblical proportions right down to divine intervention.

Rest assured in those prophecies.

And choose your path accordingly!


29 posted on 12/31/2009 10:00:57 PM PST by himno hero
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To: unkus

Optimist!


30 posted on 12/31/2009 10:01:12 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Who? The Iranians?


31 posted on 12/31/2009 10:02:32 PM PST by himno hero
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To: Bean Counter

If that’s a MIRV strike depiction, what’s that rocket in the background doin a U turn for???


32 posted on 12/31/2009 10:03:21 PM PST by SierraWasp (AARP is guilty of Elder Abuse by endorsing a law that eliminates Medicare Advantaqe plans!!!)
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To: himno hero

Its not beyond any of the upcoming nuclear powers. All you need is a supercomputer to design one and time.It did not take the United States and the Soviet Union to have a MIRV capable rocket a long time.


33 posted on 12/31/2009 10:07:16 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove

May not look like much now, but they have come a long way quickly.

34 posted on 12/31/2009 10:11:48 PM PST by OCC
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To: OCC

They have solid fuel rockets which makes them more dangerous. Our missiles are solid fuelled rockets and they are designed to launch on warning.


35 posted on 12/31/2009 10:13:26 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: himno hero

Done!


36 posted on 12/31/2009 10:16:14 PM PST by mcshot (Son of Liberty.)
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To: SierraWasp

Missfire? Nothing is 100%. 9 0ut of 10 is acceptable in these cases.


37 posted on 12/31/2009 10:16:28 PM PST by OCC
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To: OCC

The last Iranian missile test was a solid fuelled rocket. Solid fuel rockets are very stable and durable. My rockets are solid fuel. Liquid propellant is very unstable and takes time to prepare. That is not including all the precautions.


38 posted on 12/31/2009 10:19:05 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: sonofstrangelove
You have an awesome FR homepage!

Reminds me of my USAF days (tactical, not strategic).

39 posted on 12/31/2009 10:46:46 PM PST by OCC
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To: sonofstrangelove
More my experience with nukes...


40 posted on 12/31/2009 10:49:16 PM PST by OCC
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To: sonofstrangelove

Drop a bunker buster on top of it to open a channel and then drop a nuke into the hole. The technology exists.


41 posted on 12/31/2009 10:57:31 PM PST by theymakemesick (Full of hatred for those that disagree, liberal democrats are the most intolerant bigots on Earth)
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To: sonofstrangelove

They (Israel) don’t need a bunker-buster. Just tactical nukes with high-yield uranium.. The sites may not be destroyed but they will be hot for the next 100 or so years.


42 posted on 12/31/2009 10:57:58 PM PST by pankot
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To: The Cajun
Wonder what 3 of those bad boys would do if spaced at 5 second apart intervals. Me thinks they would do a little deep digging.

IMO the first one explodes, the other two will evaporate before they are close enough to the target. Perhaps three strikes with, say, 5 minutes between them might work... even that depends on how the machinery of those bombs works under extreme radiation.

However any nuclear strike option, on part of either Israel or the USA, is politically impossible. Iran is not at war with anyone. The country that dropped the bomb and killed, say, 100,000 people and caused widespread contamination of half of the Europe and Asia would certainly be punished - by a mandatory, worldwide trade embargo, for example. The General Assembly of the UN will gladly vote for that, overruling the [stalemate in the] Security Council.

I think the statement of Ehud Barak is crafted to explain, primarily to Israelis, why there will be no strike. I personally believe that impossibility of taking the Qom site out is just one facet of the problem. Much bigger problem is that Iran can inflict an unacceptable damage to Israel in return, just using its existing, conventional weapons. Iran's missiles may be poorly built, but they have plenty of them, on mobile launchers in mountains. By the time Iran is out of missiles there will be nothing left standing in Israel.

43 posted on 12/31/2009 11:14:43 PM PST by Greysard
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To: sonofstrangelove

I for one am shocked, SHOCKED, that the Iranians would be so inconsiderate as to place a weapons creation facility such that it would not be vulnerable to conventional airstrikes.


44 posted on 12/31/2009 11:21:42 PM PST by ObamaScaresMe (you know he'd try if he could)
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To: Greysard
"By the time Iran is out of missiles there will be nothing left standing in Israel."

Don't count Israel out. I've read the back of the book, and they win!

45 posted on 12/31/2009 11:25:00 PM PST by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: OCC

Thank you very much. I really enjoy Cold War stuff.


46 posted on 12/31/2009 11:32:05 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: holyscroller

Israel has a multi layered air defense network that uses the combination of PAC-3 and their Arrow missile. Cobra-Juniper.


47 posted on 12/31/2009 11:33:28 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: pankot

The higher yield nuke would produce a very high overpressure.


48 posted on 12/31/2009 11:35:03 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld ("We will either find a way, or make one.""-Hannibal/Carthaginian Military Commander)
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To: OCC
This is one of theirs also. Sejjil2 I believe they call it. sejji 2
49 posted on 12/31/2009 11:39:16 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne Get Well Rush!)
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To: Greysard
IMO the first one explodes, the other two will evaporate before they are close enough to the target.

I would guess conventional deep penetrator bunker busters (by the nature of what they do) are pretty harden and designed to take a lot of G-forces and temperature before going boom. I think the follow ups would zoom right through the loose debris easier than the primary zoomed through a couple hundred feet of solid rock.

50 posted on 12/31/2009 11:40:21 PM PST by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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