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Oklahoma City pharmacist's lawyer sour at leak of report on youth
tulsaworld.com ^ | 1/4/2009 | Staff

Posted on 01/04/2010 11:06:25 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

OKLAHOMA CITY — A lawyer for a pharmacist charged with killing a teenage would-be robber blasted the leak of a confidential psychologist's report that portrays the dead youth's accomplice in the robbery attempt as a victim instead of a criminal.

"This is another release to the press that is essentially trying to say 'poor young man,'" lawyer Irven Box told The Associated Press on Sunday. "It could prejudice a jury in this case to thinking that someone with an IQ of 72 is actually the victim."

Box represents pharmacist Jerome Ersland, who faces a first-degree murder charge accusing him of using excessive force when he shot 16-year-old Antwun "Speedy" Parker on May 19. The pharmacist, 58, contends he acted in self-defense when he fired at Parker six times.

The Oklahoman newspaper published an article Sunday saying that Jevontai Ingram, 15, has a low IQ and told a psychologist he was feeling lost before the crime. The newspaper said it obtained a case report that concluded that Ingram was in the "borderline range of intellectual ability" and that he demonstrated "significant immaturity."

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KEYWORDS: banglist; ersland; tulsa; ybm; yout
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To: Red in Blue PA
IMO, this country needs an Open Season Doctrine. Pull a gun on someone, and they cannot be held liable in any way for anything untoward which may happen to you in the chain of events which you started. Period.

We'd be setting ourselves up for a whole world of hurt with an "Open Season Doctrine". A gun is nothing more than a tool and when someone misuses a tool and someone else gets hurt there needs to be a price paid.

Ersland should, and probably will, pay a hefty price for what he did. Ingram, unfortunately, may not pay as much of a price and THAT would be a real travesty. If, however, Ingram gets the sentence he deserves and Ersland ends up with, say, "manslaughter", I see the "sympathetic" hammer coming down in a civil suit.

21 posted on 01/04/2010 12:15:29 PM PST by Tucsonican
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To: CrazyIvan

I’m sure it had nothing to do with amphetamines. ;)


22 posted on 01/04/2010 12:16:31 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: CrazyIvan
A guy who goes by “Speedy” tries to hold up a pharmacy. Wonder how he got the name.

Apparently not from how quickly he pulls out his gun.

23 posted on 01/04/2010 12:25:54 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: ansel12

> Ersland fetched another pistol and emptied it into the unconscious body,

Yes, and when Ersland fetched the other pistol, he calmly turned his back on the kid while he was rummaging around in a drawer to find it. Then he turned around, walked back to the kid and emptied the pistol into him. Red in PA always dances around that part. Anyone who knows right from wrong should know that is wrong.

I still stand by my prediction that I made when this first came out. Ersland will take a plea bargain that will put him in jail for a while, he will lose his pharmacist license, and he never again touch a gun (at least legally). He will also lose everything he has worked for to the survivors of the kid he killed. Sounds like a lot to loose in order to feel good for a couple of minutes.


24 posted on 01/04/2010 1:02:53 PM PST by jim_trent
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To: jim_trent; All
Then he turned around, walked back to the kid and emptied the pistol into him. Red in PA always dances around that part. Anyone who knows right from wrong should know that is wrong.

There were 3 or 4 cameras and NOT ONE OF THEM show the perp on the floor, so please do not act as though you have definitive proof of what transpired that day.
25 posted on 01/04/2010 4:01:58 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Tucsonican
We'd be setting ourselves up for a whole world of hurt with an "Open Season Doctrine".

People said the same thing about the "Castle Doctrine" before it was passed.
26 posted on 01/04/2010 4:18:36 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Yes they did but even the “Castle Doctrine” doesn’t give someone carte blanche to shoot anyone JUST because they are in your house. If you shot and incapacitated an intruder in your house, stepped over him as you chased his buddy out the front door, stepped over him AGAIN as you went off looking for your backup piece and then, after rummaging around for nearly half a minute, went back and shot the unconscious, incapacitated perp 5 more times “just for good measure” you committed a crime.

Just because you have legal claim to act in a particular manner does not mean that you can throw all reason to the four winds in your actions. If a pedestrian steps off the curb in an unmarked section of the roadway and you, in an oncoming vehicle, have time to stop but don’t because “you have the right of way” and bounce the idiot off your grill you have, at a minimum, stepped way, WAY outside the bounds of reasonable moral behavior and, in most cases, would be guilty of a serious crime.


27 posted on 01/04/2010 4:59:11 PM PST by Tucsonican
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To: Richard Kimball

http://krmg.com/blogs/the_krmg_morning_news_blog/2009/05/video-okc-pharmacist-shoots-ki.html


28 posted on 01/04/2010 5:45:22 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Red in Blue PA; jim_trent
There were 3 or 4 cameras and NOT ONE OF THEM show the perp on the floor, so please do not act as though you have definitive proof of what transpired that day.

The cameras show us everything that the druggist was doing inside the store, including, "Then he turned around, walked back to the kid and emptied the pistol into him. Red in PA always dances around that part. Anyone who knows right from wrong should know that is wrong. ", the coroner's report and the scene told the investigators about the boys position, being unconscious from the initial head shot before Ersland left the store, and the position of his splayed out arms and open, empty hands, as he laid on his back.

Here is the Video

29 posted on 01/04/2010 8:36:31 PM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
This comment from the blog shows why he Ersland can never be guilty IMO:

The guy was obviously amped up - and who wouldn't be in that situation? It's one thing to ask a police officer to ratchet down the emotion after one shot. They are trained for it. Private citizens don't have that same training.
30 posted on 01/05/2010 3:32:03 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m not interested in anything you have to say.


31 posted on 01/05/2010 4:12:42 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5

LOL!

Stay classy.


32 posted on 01/05/2010 4:16:05 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA; Shooter 2.5

Only a nut case, (like a phony war hero) would execute an unarmed, unconscious, person (after calmly fetching another gun to do it with), and then make up another wild tale about a wild shoot out, with bullets whistling by him, and even a physical hand to hand struggle.

Red in Blue PA, your “hero” not only claimed a shoot out, but he also showed reporters the arm that he bandaged after receiving a bullet wound, all this after we learn that the robber never fired a shot. Kind of puts his fake war stories and fake war injury into the story doesn’t it?

The druggist has a history of mental issues and Psychiatric help.


33 posted on 01/05/2010 6:18:24 AM PST by ansel12 (anti SoCon. Earl Warren's court 1953-1969, libertarian hero, anti social conservative loser.)
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