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Democrats may bypass formal bill process on healthcare
L.A. Times ^ | 1/5/10 | James Oliphant

Posted on 01/05/2010 8:49:35 AM PST by Nachum

Democratic leaders are likely to sidestep a conference committee in merging the House and Senate versions, an attempt to block Republicans from delaying the bill.

Reporting from Washington - As congressional Democrats work toward a final healthcare bill, they appear increasingly likely to forgo the formal conference committee process for merging House and Senate versions of the legislation, opting instead for closely held negotiations between leaders from the two chambers.

Under that scenario, aides said, the House would take up and amend the Senate bill before sending it back for a vote.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; bill; bypass; democrats; donttreadonme; liberalfascism; obamacare; process; transparency; tyranny
The most ethical...

Oh never mind

1 posted on 01/05/2010 8:49:37 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping


2 posted on 01/05/2010 8:50:28 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Don’t forget the most transparent...

...oops..


3 posted on 01/05/2010 8:50:51 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Nachum
"Skipping a real, open conference shuts out the American people and breaks one of President Obama's signature campaign promises," he said.

Its becoming more clear by the day what "Yes We Can" meant.

Suckers!

4 posted on 01/05/2010 8:53:25 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Nachum

They still need 60 votes to advance it in the Senate.


5 posted on 01/05/2010 8:53:30 AM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or you excited to come to America?")
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To: Nachum
John MeCain and Mini-MeCain will nevertheless be all the more willing to cross the isle and work with those same Democrats in the name of bipartisanship and mutual respect.
6 posted on 01/05/2010 8:55:28 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Nachum

at midnight on a Saturday night.....superbowl weekend perhaps?


7 posted on 01/05/2010 8:55:46 AM PST by tioga
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To: Perdogg
They still need 60 votes to advance it in the Senate.

Correction: Republicans would need 60 votes to advance it in the Senate. Democrats do not. Rules are always for the other guy.

8 posted on 01/05/2010 8:56:35 AM PST by Hoodat (For the weapons of our warfare are mighty in God for pulling down strongholds.)
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To: Nachum

When the garbage stinks like fresh fecal matter, no amount of bypassing the flushing of the toilet will change the smell. In other words, if it feels, looks, and smells like fecal matter, it is fecal matter, period. Please send a memo to these moronic idiots please.


9 posted on 01/05/2010 8:56:54 AM PST by cranked
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To: Nachum

This is a done deal, when will we face this fact?


10 posted on 01/05/2010 8:57:14 AM PST by roses of sharon (This is a feral government, broken from the civilizing constraints of the Constitution.)
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To: Perdogg

Penis pinching Pelosi may have lost the majority margin in the House. She needs 218.

This could get interesting.


11 posted on 01/05/2010 8:58:06 AM PST by y6162 (uish..)
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To: Nachum

Send THIS to your Senators NOW!

Current Bill does NOTHING to “fix” Healthcare!

The current “Healthcare” bill was constructed in secrecy, because it is nothing to be proud of, and cannot withstand the light of day. It will NOT reduce the cost of healthcare to the 85% of Americans happy with their current healthcare! The quality and availability of healthcare enjoyed by 85% of Americans will NOT be available to them under the latest bill. This bill does nothing to reduce the $250 BILLION annual cost of defensive medicine and insurance premiums driven by current tort laws. Why continue the lie about keeping our current doctors and insurance, hoping we won’t notice that employers will be threatened, bribed, and cajoled into dumping us onto the government plan. We know that only “approved” policies will be allowed to stay in force, and any change in our circumstance is grounds for MANDATORY transition to the government plan. How many ADDITIONAL people does the bill pretend to provide “healthcare” for? How do you propose to pay for this additional coverage? How do you imagine enticing Doctors to continue to provide more care to more people for less money? If you pull $500 Billion out of Medicare, are we supposed to believe the quality of care for the elderly won’t suffer? What Constitutional authority allows the government to mandate that you buy health insurance under penalty of Fine or IMPRISONMENT? Are we really supposed to believe that rationed healthcare is not a cornerstone of this plan? Aren’t you really attempting to concoct a legacy by overstating the case for government run healthcare, and using that enterprise to impose a socialist agenda?


12 posted on 01/05/2010 8:58:50 AM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: Perdogg
They plan to ram it through in time for the SOTU speech.

If that MA Senate special election gets tighter, watch these clowns start to squirm and accelerate the cram down.

If Brown wins - (doubtful) - the GOP filibuster is back on the table with 59-41.

What fun it would be to watch a Republican sit in Ted’s seat.

13 posted on 01/05/2010 9:00:12 AM PST by Col Frank Slade
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To: Nachum
No need to worry. Mitch McConnell will take care of that! /sarc
14 posted on 01/05/2010 9:00:58 AM PST by mcmuffin (Will American patriots and freedom prevail?)
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To: Nachum

It's impossible for the Rats to do this out in the open.

If they did, ObamaCare would fall flat on its face!

15 posted on 01/05/2010 9:01:02 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Nachum
This is being referred to as the "ping pong" method because the house will amend the bill, send it to the senate, the senate will amend the bill, then send it back to the house, and so on until they negotiate a bill they think will pass.

I'm not sure how this help's the dems though, can't the Republicans still attempt to filibuster every time the bill is sent back to the senate?

16 posted on 01/05/2010 9:01:31 AM PST by apillar
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To: Perdogg
"They still need 60 votes to advance it in the Senate"

True; but they've got 'em.

If there is the slightest doubt about having 60 votes confirmed, they'll have two options:

1) Give more millions to buy the vote with more taxpayer debt

2) Amend the rules to only require a simple majority.

This communist takeover is a done deal; get over it.

17 posted on 01/05/2010 9:03:07 AM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: G Larry
Current Bill does NOTHING to “fix” Healthcare!

"Healthcare" has nothing to do with this bill and everybody knows it. LOL, the rats don't care about "Healthcare"!
It's all about the money with those animals.. It's ALWAYS about the money.

“Mortgage justice”.
“Health care justice”.
“Credit card justice”.
“Stimulus justice”...

It’s all backdoor reparations.

The Kenyan communist Ubama hates white people, and he and the Democrats are going to stick it to whitey every chance they get.
There’s not a doubt in my mind.

18 posted on 01/05/2010 9:07:00 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TexasCajun

They all have to go. We have allowed the corruption of the political system so completely that hitting “reset” is the only viable option.


19 posted on 01/05/2010 9:09:50 AM PST by dumpthelibs (dumpthelibs)
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To: Nachum

Oh bloody hell. Why bother anymore? King Obama may as well just stop the charade and impose “healthcare reform” by supreme edict. Our Constitutional Republic has been overthrown and we’re nothing but serfs to a new Crown.


20 posted on 01/05/2010 9:18:51 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: Col Frank Slade

I agree, it is all about the Massachusetts special election.

This could be the upset of the century that tells liberals in one loud voice that we will not go quietly into the night while they ram their agenda down our throats with bribes, backroom deals and deception!


21 posted on 01/05/2010 9:19:00 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: G Larry

sending to bill nelson....


22 posted on 01/05/2010 9:25:56 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: Nachum


But Democrats on Capitol Hill are free to fashion a more informal procedure because they aren't relying on Republican votes to pass the final bill.

For congressional Democrats and the White House, bypassing a conference committee would block Republicans

Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Beverly Hills), said he believed that Democrats would avoid a formal conference.

House Republicans on Monday argued that informal negotiations went against Democrats' pledges of government transparency.

"Something as critical as the Democrats' healthcare bill . . . shouldn't be slapped together in a shady backroom deal," said Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio).

"Skipping a real, open conference shuts out the American people and breaks one of President Obama's signature campaign promises," he said.



Hey, it looks pretty transparent to me. The communists that call themselves democrats are running a One-Party government and they don't seem to care who knows.

I wonder what the communists will be saying when they smack the ground at the bottom of the cliff? Racism? Uneducated voters? Not "sophisticated" enough to understand their plan?

23 posted on 01/05/2010 9:26:36 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Nachum
...an attempt to block Republicans from delaying the bill.

With all due respect to the LA Slimes, it isn't an attempt to block delay, it is an outright blockage of debate, circumventing the usual process of deliberation, and an outright attempt to HIDE FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE the substance of what is being considered in this outrageous legislation.

24 posted on 01/05/2010 9:26:55 AM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Perdogg

We need Brown to win in Massachusetts! That will give them only 59 affirmative votes — 1 less than the needed 60!


25 posted on 01/05/2010 9:27:33 AM PST by Mr. Wright
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To: mnehring; All
"Don’t forget the most transparent..."

"oops...."


26 posted on 01/05/2010 9:32:36 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Nachum
Barry, Harry, Nancy........YOU LIE!!!!!
27 posted on 01/05/2010 9:33:12 AM PST by JPG (Mr. Gore, put your hands behind your back.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I agree, it is all about the Massachusetts special election. This could be the upset of the century that tells liberals in one loud voice that we will not go quietly into the night while they ram their agenda down our throats with bribes, backroom deals and deception!

While I share this happy dream and hate to pee in your cornflakes, I gotta say I don't see it happening. I live in MA.

Do you really have confidence in the notion of honest elections anymore? In Massachusetts? In an critical race that King Obama absolutely cannot afford to lose? Do you really think that Democrats have any scruples whatsoever about cheating to win, or that any mechanism exists in Massachusetts to prevent it?

Does anyone here really believe that Al Franken legitimately won in MN? Why would MA be any different?

Folks, our representative Constitutional Republic is nothing more than an illusion now.

28 posted on 01/05/2010 9:39:46 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: traditional1
This communist takeover is a done deal; get over it.

You got that right. And so much damage is done that it will take generations to get America back. The hinge is lower taxes for us and business, curb regulations, and putting Americans back to work. Problem is which comes first. People spending so more product needed so hiring will start to increase production, or the opposite. How can people spend when they have no free money. Perplexing, isn't it?

29 posted on 01/05/2010 9:54:43 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Zeddicus

Not only that, but if they avoid the joint committee to reconcile the bills, then I don’t think they will need more than 51 votes in the Senate from this point forward. They already got their cloture vote.

Unless we can stir up a real storm and block this crooked business, we are so screwed.


30 posted on 01/05/2010 10:00:43 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Yes, but if they go this route, the Bill will face the 'sunset' provision and won't survive a revote.

Ofcourse, they would have collected the taxes, which is what they really want.

31 posted on 01/05/2010 10:18:53 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: Nachum; All

Watch the clip, especially around the one minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNdV0PSRy4


32 posted on 01/05/2010 10:19:03 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (New Year's Resolution: Never, ever, ever again vote for anyone with a (d) after their name.)
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To: Zeddicus
Do you really have confidence in the notion of honest elections anymore?

Then you have given up.

33 posted on 01/05/2010 11:42:49 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Nachum
According to Rasmussen, there's nearly a tie in the polls between the Republican and Democrat running for Kennedy's Massachusetts Senate Seat. If the Republican wins, it'll upset the applecart for Reid. There will only be 59 Democrats in the Senate. And if the Republican wins, it will be a precursor of things to come in November!

Support Scott Brown Now. The election is January 19! This election could be the "Senate election heard round the world." Okay, so "round the White House" and that would make it all the sweeter.

Copyright DbGraphic
Scott Brown and Martha Coakley on the night of their first debate at WBZ (WBZ-AM)
34 posted on 01/05/2010 1:04:25 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The left have become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.)
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To: G Larry

Slightly changed for my Republican Senators and Representative.

Senator:

Current Bill does NOTHING to “fix” Healthcare!

The current “Healthcare” bill was constructed in secrecy, because it is nothing to be proud of, and cannot withstand the light of day. It will NOT reduce the cost of healthcare to the 85% of Americans happy with their current healthcare! The quality and availability of healthcare enjoyed by 85% of Americans will NOT be available to them under the latest bill. This bill does nothing to reduce the $250 BILLION annual cost of defensive medicine and insurance premiums driven by current tort laws. Why do Republicans continue to allow the Democrats to lie about keeping our current doctors and insurance, hoping we won’t notice that employers will be threatened, bribed, and cajoled into dumping us onto the government plan?? We know that only “approved” policies will be allowed to stay in force, and any change in our circumstance is grounds for MANDATORY transition to the government plan. How many ADDITIONAL people does the bill pretend to provide “healthcare” for?

How does Congress propose to pay for this additional coverage? How does Congress imagine enticing Doctors to continue to provide more care to more people for less money? If Congress pulls $500 Billion out of Medicare, are we supposed to believe the quality of care for the elderly [I just turned 65!] won’t suffer? What Constitutional authority allows the government to mandate that I buy health insurance under penalty of Fine or IMPRISONMENT? Are we really supposed to believe that rationed healthcare is not a cornerstone of the Democrat plan? Aren’t Democrats really attempting to concoct a legacy by overstating the case for government run healthcare, and using that enterprise to impose a socialist [dare I say, a Communist] agenda?


35 posted on 01/05/2010 1:16:28 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The left have become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.)
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To: Nachum

More shenanigans from the Congress... :-)


36 posted on 01/05/2010 1:47:27 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Do you really have confidence in the notion of honest elections anymore?
>> Then you have given up.

It's not so much that I've "given up", I'm merely making observations of what has gone on with rampant voter fraud in the country recently.

Do YOU still have faith in honest elections in this country? Based on what? What about Al Franken? Do you think HE won an honest election? Do you believe that Democrats are not capable of manipulating elections in a state like Massachusetts? Who would question it, or even blink, if Coakley won?

Look I want to be wrong about this. Please, convince me I'm wrong.

37 posted on 01/05/2010 2:15:25 PM PST by Zeddicus
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To: Zeddicus
Look I want to be wrong about this. Please, convince me I'm wrong.

Is there fraud? Yes!

Does the system need cleaning up? Yes!

However, just look at what happened in New Jersey with the gubernatorial race.....they could not overcome the wrath of the people.

Can they win the close elections on fraud? Yes!

Can they stop us from throwing their asses out when we show up? No!

Expect a lot of liberals to sit home for this special election in Mass. If conservatives and moderates get off their ass and show up, Brown can win this.

When you throw in the towel before the game starts, you have let the liberals win because they have demoralized you.

38 posted on 01/06/2010 3:51:05 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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