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To: Godebert

“The 14th amendment has nothing to do with the NATURAL BORN citizenship.”

Actually it does. It is the only thing in the Constitution that defines citizenship. The “natural born” requirement must be interpreted in accordance with the plain meaning of the 14th Amendment. Amendments, by nature, override the original text of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship and makes it a birthright that may not be impaired by the United States or the several states without due process of law.


139 posted on 01/07/2010 4:03:22 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Actually it does. It is the only thing in the Constitution that defines citizenship. The “natural born” requirement must be interpreted in accordance with the plain meaning of the 14th Amendment. Amendments, by nature, override the original text of the Constitution.

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship and makes it a birthright that may not be impaired by the United States or the several states without due process of law.


You are exactly right.
The 14th Amendment clearly states that ALL persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens. There is no wording that exempts presidential candidates from the word “ALL.”
Therefore there are two classes of citizens: Born Citizens and Naturalized Citizens. U.S. Public Law (US Code, Title 8, Chapter 12, Subchapter 3, Part 1,Section 1401) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1401.html further defines the term citizen at birth and case law has determined that there is no difference between a citizen at birth and a natural born citizen. Those who want there to be a distinction between a citizen at birth and a natural born citizen are going to have to change the current law or amend the Constitution further.


143 posted on 01/07/2010 4:24:43 PM PST by jamese777
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To: GreenLanternCorps
"The “natural born” requirement must be interpreted in accordance with the plain meaning of the 14th Amendment. Amendments, by nature, override the original text of the Constitution. The 14th Amendment defines citizenship and makes it a birthright that may not be impaired by the United States or the several states without due process of law."

You are incorrect. The 14th amendment DOES NOT mention Natural Born Citizenship at all. It is clear that the founding fathers relied upon the only available definition of Natural Born Citizen at the time, which was from Vattel's Law of Nations. That definition states that both parents had to be citizens to confer Natural Born Status.

147 posted on 01/07/2010 4:58:15 PM PST by Godebert
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To: GreenLanternCorps
To put to rest any doubt you might have as to wether the Continental Congress used Vattel's Law of Nations; just check what Benjamin Franklin had to say on the matter.
149 posted on 01/07/2010 5:11:54 PM PST by Godebert
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