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2 ex-Blackwater guards charged with murder
Los Angeles Times ^ | 1/7/10 | LAT

Posted on 01/07/2010 11:59:37 AM PST by granite

Both Cannon, of Corpus Christi, Texas, and Drotleff, of Virginia Beach, Va., have said in recent interviews with the AP that they were justified when they opened fire on a threatening vehicle last year. Blackwater, now known as Xe, fired both men after the shooting for failing to comply with the terms of their contract.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bhodoj; blackwater; cannon; corpuschristi; doj; drotleff; ericholder; holder; obama; virginiabeach

1 posted on 01/07/2010 11:59:38 AM PST by granite
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To: granite

Can they do this to civilians who allegedly committed an ordinary crime abroad?


2 posted on 01/07/2010 12:07:44 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: granite

Who charged them?


3 posted on 01/07/2010 12:08:43 PM PST by cardinal4 (Dont Tread on Me)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
"Can they do this to civilians who allegedly committed an ordinary crime abroad?"

If they prefer, I am sure they could request to be prosecuted by the authorities in Afghanistan.

However, I doubt they would prefer that option.

4 posted on 01/07/2010 12:13:51 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: cardinal4
The indictment charges Justin Cannon, 27, and Chris Drotleff, 29, with second-degree murder, attempted murder and weapons charges. Both of them are in custody, said Peter Carr, a spokesman with the U.S. attorney's office in Virginia's eastern district.
5 posted on 01/07/2010 12:15:51 PM PST by granite ("We dare not tempt them with weakness" - JFK)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
The investigation opens a new front in the U.S. government's attempt to increase oversight of contractor activities in war zones after a series of problems in Iraq strained relations between Washington and Baghdad.

Anti-American Eric Holder again with another dubious prosecution of Americans in a war zone.

6 posted on 01/07/2010 12:18:22 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: granite

Blackwater WAS the real CIA. The CIA now is filled with paper pushers, Obama goons and ACORN types.


7 posted on 01/07/2010 12:22:59 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: granite

Blackwater WAS the real CIA. The CIA now is filled with paper pushers, Obama goons and ACORN types.


8 posted on 01/07/2010 12:23:05 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: granite

Blackwater WAS the real CIA. The CIA now is filled with paper pushers, Obama goons and ACORN types.


9 posted on 01/07/2010 12:23:14 PM PST by Frantzie (TV - sending Americans towards islamic serfdom - Cancel TV service NOW)
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To: Red Steel

I would ask all my brother contractors to boycott protecting anyone in this administration. I would institute the boycotts on a rolling basis after I had escorted them outside the wire and say KISS MY ASS, I’m afraid of being prosecuted you better find your way back.


10 posted on 01/07/2010 12:24:27 PM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: Red Steel

Eric Holder is an absolute disgrace.


11 posted on 01/07/2010 12:29:41 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
"Can they do this to civilians who allegedly committed an ordinary crime abroad?"

Yes. It was a piece of legislation signed by Bill Clinton in 2000 called The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act of 2000 (MEJA) - 18 U.S.C. §§ 3261 - 3267. There was some additional language inserted in several other pieces of legislation signed by Bush that expand or refine these powers, FWIW.

I suspect when Eric Holder is finished, most of Xe (Blackwater) will be behind bars, along with dozens of our own special forces operators. Welcome to Obama's new world order.

12 posted on 01/07/2010 12:30:27 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Flag waiving, church attending, gun toting militant heterosexual. Deal with it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

This is what happens when you don’t get congress to grant letters of marque, which would have covered them. Not good.


13 posted on 01/07/2010 12:39:43 PM PST by Palter
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To: Cyropaedia; crosslink

Since Holder got rebuked in Utah when the judge threw out the case against Blackwater, he’s having a snit and wants to rebound at the expense of these two guys.


14 posted on 01/07/2010 12:45:39 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: granite

Holder is AQ’s defense counsel. Seriously.

So is Bob Bauer, White House counsel.

This White House recruits its staff from Al Qaeda’s legal team.


15 posted on 01/07/2010 12:49:28 PM PST by marron
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To: Frantzie

I guess it beared repeating.


16 posted on 01/07/2010 12:51:26 PM PST by Bushbacker1 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Frantzie

Rummy was right about Langley.


17 posted on 01/07/2010 12:52:27 PM PST by Perdogg ("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
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To: Palter
.....this does not bode well for our future.....
18 posted on 01/07/2010 1:16:58 PM PST by cyberaxe (كافر)
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To: crosslink

I’d love to see Eric Holder and co. left alone and unarmed in some of the wilder parts of Afghanistan.


19 posted on 01/07/2010 1:48:09 PM PST by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
"I’d love to see Eric Holder and co. left alone and unarmed in some of the wilder parts of Afghanistan."

I'd settle for some of the wilder parts of DC. It is certainly more convenient and they would get an education in the chaos of emergency, split second response situations.

20 posted on 01/07/2010 2:00:46 PM PST by Truth29
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To: granite

FReepers should check out Sipsey Street Irregulars. Some interesting things going on there


21 posted on 01/07/2010 2:48:38 PM PST by oneolcop
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To: OldDeckHand

But members of Blackwater are technically civillians, and not subject to the US Military Justice Code?


22 posted on 01/07/2010 3:13:16 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: cardinal4

The U.S. DOJ, i.e., Eric Holder.

Just damn.


23 posted on 01/07/2010 3:20:15 PM PST by La Enchiladita (The Light shines in the darkness.)
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To: granite

The punks of obama no nothing of battle heat, much less how to
defend themselves in a life or death situation. I’m sure if
Holder’s or obama’s guards stopped some of the residential trash
of DC from harming them with force, their guards would not be charged
with murder.

Anyone still defending obama and his gestapo are either stupid or willfully criminal.


24 posted on 01/07/2010 3:38:59 PM PST by soycd
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
"But members of Blackwater are technically civilians, and not subject to the US Military Justice Code?"

Yes, they are indeed civilians. There isn't anything technical about it. But, The Military Extraterritorial Jurisdiction Act specifically provides for the prosecution of civilian contractors working on behalf or in support of the US Military overseas, in US Federal Court.

Also, language inserted into the 2007 National Defense Authorization Act expanded those provisions and allowed for civilians working on behalf of the DOD to be prosecuted under the UCMJ.

I should point out that there was some (and continues to be) debate with respect to the ability to prosecute these private contractors who are not working for the DOD, but for either State or CIA. This has not been fully tested in court. If it holds up on appeal, is really anyone's guess.

Lastly, there is some additional gray area in this field for several different reasons. One reason includes certain Status of Forces Agreements (SOFA) that have been negotiated with these "host" countries. As an example, because of a provision is some DOD agreements prior to 2007, these Blackwater contractors (and others) were operating under a kind of blanket immunity, which really didn't allow for either US or Iraqi prosecution of these Blackwater contractors. With the negotiation of the latest SOFA agreement in Iraq, this immunity has been lifted.

25 posted on 01/07/2010 4:06:29 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Flag waiving, church attending, gun toting militant heterosexual. Deal with it.)
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To: Red Steel

WE ARE IN A FRIGGIN WAR AGAINST TERRORISTS!!!

WTF!


26 posted on 01/07/2010 4:40:52 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Can they do this to civilians who allegedly committed an ordinary crime abroad?

Not exactly an "ordinary crime abroad", given the circumstances of war, but...

War being a political affair, politics always has and, IMHO, always ought to play a part in military affairs whether regular or mercenary. (And I use the term "mercenary" strictly, to refer to hired military, which, I believe, fits Blackwater. And with no desparagement of Blackwater whatsoever.)

So if Blackwater elects to be part of a military operation (viz. Afghanistan or Iraq wars), they'd better do so only after considering the political climate, fully aware that they may be sacrificed not only in the performance of their agreed-upon duties, but also as political pawns.

That's been the nature of the business throughout history, and shows no signs of changing so long as man makes war upon man.

This is not to excuse Obama nor Holder; they ARE the political climate in this case, deplorable though it be. It is only to say you'd be foolish to sign a contract without knowing all that you're getting into.

War hasn't changed, and IMHO, never will. Neither will the politics that oversee it.
27 posted on 01/07/2010 4:51:53 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: granite

I thought the case against the Blackthorn guys was thrown out a couple of weeks ago.


28 posted on 01/07/2010 5:10:02 PM PST by dools007
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To: Bushbacker1

Yea, The echo was terrible! :)


29 posted on 01/07/2010 5:45:59 PM PST by halfright (My presidents picture is in the dictionary, next to the word, "rectum".)
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To: granite

With crap like this happening and all the other attacks against the CIA proper, why would any American lay their life and reputation on the line for the service of their country?

As another FReeper noted, it does not bode well for our future unless this f’d up mess is fixed.


30 posted on 01/07/2010 7:14:29 PM PST by khnyny (Our government is becoming "The Committee of Public Safety")
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To: granite

“He who is kind to the cruel is soon cruel to the kind...”


31 posted on 01/07/2010 7:18:09 PM PST by gaijin
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To: granite

we should have left Iraq long before the incident happened.


32 posted on 01/07/2010 7:43:31 PM PST by element92
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To: Red Steel

Maybe they can lock them up in Guantanamo where they belong, with the rest of the terrorists.


33 posted on 01/07/2010 8:22:31 PM PST by Whine Lover
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

WE are at war with the terrorists, but the Obamao clymers are not.


34 posted on 01/07/2010 9:41:38 PM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: element92

this one happened in Afghanistan


35 posted on 01/07/2010 10:46:09 PM PST by Enchante (Do we really send captured TERRORISTS off to Saudi-land and Yemen so they can be "REHABILITATED"?)
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To: Red Steel

this started under bush, make no mistake


36 posted on 01/08/2010 4:59:07 AM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

that doesn’t matter anymore. BUSH passed a law where the DOJ had complete jurisdiction over personnel in war zones, all civilians under any capacity


37 posted on 01/08/2010 5:01:07 AM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: Whine Lover

How many terrorists are charged with murder?

...real food for thought in THAT question...


38 posted on 01/08/2010 5:02:46 AM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: granite

Murder? They killed muzzies. I’m not seeing a problem.


39 posted on 01/08/2010 7:12:07 AM PST by IntolerantOfTreason (The AMERICAN President should be an AMERICAN, NOT an AFRICAN-American)
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To: IntolerantOfTreason
Murder? They killed muzzies. I’m not seeing a problem.

I'm thinking maybe cruelty to animals or something, but not murder.

40 posted on 01/08/2010 7:15:53 AM PST by ScottinVA (The arrogance of this Congress is staggering. November 2010 can't get here quickly enough.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

of course we are, terrorists who are created, backed, funded, handled , and enabled by the NSA, CIA, NATO, Mossad, MI6, FBI, bankers, etc. Watch a great movie called “Fabled Enemies” http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407#

Companies such as Xe (ex Blackwater) and the children sex-slave ring procuring DynCorp ( http://www.corpwatch.org/section.php?id=18 ) are thug private mercs in the hire of evil.


41 posted on 01/08/2010 7:44:03 AM PST by oioiman (The Federal Reserve has officially been listed as the USA's cause of death.....)
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To: RaceBannon

better question- Why has Osama bin Laden NEVER been charged wth 9-11?


42 posted on 01/08/2010 7:46:22 AM PST by oioiman (The Federal Reserve has officially been listed as the USA's cause of death.....)
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To: granite

“...opened fire on a threatening vehicle...”

I’d open fire on a threatening vehicle, and I’m in Texas.


43 posted on 01/08/2010 9:45:51 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObommaNation - beyond your expectation.)
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To: oioiman

I will check out the references you posted, as now I am curious..those are pretty strong charges ‘enabling” terrorists.


44 posted on 01/08/2010 3:12:34 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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