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Ady Gil sinks after whaling skirmish
Australian Broadcasting Corporation ^ | January 8, 2010

Posted on 01/07/2010 6:52:08 PM PST by myknowledge

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To: anglian

So: You haven’t answered ONE of my direct challenges to your rhetoric and hearsay, and you find it acceptable to SPAM me with some link to yet another unknown (to all but the GREENIES) author’s diatribe against the Japanese whale hunt.

As I asked the previous “whaling expert”, Learn what you’re talking about, get a grip on reality, and leave ME the dickens ALONE!

If you knew HALF what you think you do, you’d be dangerous! If you knew 2/3rds what you think you do, you’d have a clue! If you knew 3/4 what you think you do, you’d know more than the NOAA!

Good heavens, if you knew 1/16 what you’re claiming, you’d be the reigning Know-It-All of the entire environmental movement!


321 posted on 01/08/2010 12:36:16 AM PST by Don W (I only keep certain folks' numbers in my 'phone so I know NOT to answer when they call)
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To: szweig
"...The Japs are not hunting endangered whales (blues, humpbacks, rights et al.)..."

A few years ago, a nature program showed an 14-inch baby Blue Whale "harvested" from Japanese "scientific study" of a Blue Whale hauled on board. It was an exact miniature of the mother whale, and quite sad to see—dead.

322 posted on 01/08/2010 12:42:12 AM PST by Does so (ObamaCare...I pay for medical-marijuana claims by millions of Americans?)
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To: myknowledge
Oh yes...forgot to ask:

Is this the same trimaran that attempted a circumnavigation using only bio-fuels?

323 posted on 01/08/2010 12:44:09 AM PST by Does so (ObamaCare...I pay for medical-marijuana claims by millions of Americans?)
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To: ransomnote
Posts 97, 95, 92, 73, 67, 62, 54, 53, 40, 39, 26, 20, 19, 16, 14, 13, 11...and that's only the first two pgs.

You frame your responses as if we hate whales or have no regard for suffering etc

Hate? No. No respect & no regard for their suffering? Absolutely!

You point to the fact that there is some footage of a ship taking whales illegally...

I did not.

I reject the morally superior verbiage you hurl...

...and I reject your justification, that it is ok to kill whales or whatever as long as it is someone's culture that is 'requiring' them to do that...it was the culture of cannibals and head-hunters to shrink heads and consume humans, but, somewhere all the line it became rather uncool and unacceptable to do that. Simply practicing that 'culture' would likely be frowned upon today.

324 posted on 01/08/2010 12:50:59 AM PST by top 2 toe red (Not supporting a corrupt, Marxist, Socialist President makes me a racist?!? Then a racist I am!!!)
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To: Dengar01

Please, look up definitions of POACHING and LEGAL HUNTING. They are two separate actions. While you are researching your lame position, please note what “is” and “is not” endangered.


325 posted on 01/08/2010 12:59:21 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: usmcobra
That's disgusting as well. Some traditions SHOULD die.

Native Americans killing bald eagles and slaughtering whales should neither one be legal...

326 posted on 01/08/2010 12:59:21 AM PST by top 2 toe red (Not supporting a corrupt, Marxist, Socialist President makes me a racist?!? Then a racist I am!!!)
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To: GOYAKLA

The whaling occurs in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, an internationally ordained preserve that covers the waters surrounding Antarctica as far north as 40º S and protects 11 of the planet’s 13 species of great whales. Research is permitted in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, commercial whaling is explicitly forbidden.


327 posted on 01/08/2010 1:10:28 AM PST by anglian
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To: Does so

I guess thy renamed it. It broke the world record for circumnavigating the globe in a motorized boat. It set the record in 60 days 23 hours and 49 minutes. On Friday June 27, 2008 Earthrace set a new powered circumnavigation of the globe world record when it crossed the finish line at 14:24 CET at Sagunto, Spain.
http://www.popularmechanics.co.za/content/outside/singlepage.asp?fid=871&pno=1


328 posted on 01/08/2010 1:18:39 AM PST by anglian
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To: myknowledge; All
Some good whale meat recipes
329 posted on 01/08/2010 1:30:44 AM PST by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: anglian
I guess thy renamed it.

Well there ya go.

It's common knowledge that it's bad luck to remane a boat. :-P

330 posted on 01/08/2010 1:33:26 AM PST by South40 ("Islam has a long tradition of tolerance." ~Hussein Obama, June 4, 2009, Cairo, Egypt)
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To: anglian

thanks for the data! Do you have the name of the two legally accepted whales?


331 posted on 01/08/2010 1:34:48 AM PST by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: top 2 toe red

Hard wading through your emotion based responses. You equate hunting and eating whales to cannibalistic head hunters shrinking heads and consuming human flesh? Uh...yeah....I can see why we won’t agree on this.


332 posted on 01/08/2010 1:40:11 AM PST by ransomnote
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To: Does so

Indeed, as the Earthrace, back in ‘08.


333 posted on 01/08/2010 1:46:58 AM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: ransomnote
Hmmm...I don't know that I have seen anyone so prejudiced against emotion.

You know that, I, in no way equated hunting to head-hunting/cannibalism. You used Japanese culture to justify their slaughter of whales...I used the example of head-hunting to point out there are cultural practices that are no longer acceptable.

There are multiple reasons why we won't agree on this, twisting my words to try and validate your argument is but one of the reasons.

334 posted on 01/08/2010 1:57:46 AM PST by top 2 toe red (Not supporting a corrupt, Marxist, Socialist President makes me a racist?!? Then a racist I am!!!)
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To: top 2 toe red
"Is that supposed to be an insult?"

Did you interpret it as one?(Rhetorical question)

Be assured, my insults are very easy to recognize. Bereft of condescension, which I equate with sarcasm - a weaklings tool, and just jam-packed with clearly understood verbal venom.
It was just a gentle jibe.
But having read the thread and seen your performance on it, I can understand your suspicion of any comment directed your way.
335 posted on 01/08/2010 2:26:15 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Dengar01
Those whalers are scum. They are the scum of the earth.

That may be. But they are following the laws, the treaties.

The crew of the Ady Gil were violating the laws of the sea, especially the one about ramming another ship.

And ramming a ship much larger than yours while you have a camera crew on another ship, which is also crossing their bow, in an attempt to cause them to 'hit' the smaller (but much more maneuverable) craft is just dumb, and deadly.

So who is the criminal, in this case?

This isn't about saving whales. It's about well-funded liberals who got a flashy boat and are making TV shows playing James Bond.

They have some effective equipment for driving whales away from the area, so why do they insist on damaging the whaling vessels, risking the lives of those on board?

Answer: Because, it's all about fame and fortune, and bragging rights.

Proof: They risk polluting the ocean with their own ship's fuel, just to make a point.

They would never have taken damage, had they not insisted on getting within 50 feet of the nose of the whaling ship. The water the whaling ship was spraying at them was a BIG RED SIGN that says, DON'T COME ANY CLOSER.

336 posted on 01/08/2010 2:37:28 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: top 2 toe red
Anyone that thinks it is just a-ok for the Japanese to go out and slaughter whales has something bad wrong with them.

I guess you don't know where hamburger comes from.

337 posted on 01/08/2010 2:39:52 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Army Air Corps
The general rule is that he who is faster and more manoeuverable has an obligation to get out of the way.

This is the true law of the waterways.

Size is not important, especially these days.

The concept that it applied to 'smaller craft' is more valid when applied to wind-powered craft (sailboats) vs. runabouts.

338 posted on 01/08/2010 2:49:48 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Dengar01
Killing endangered whales is wrong,

You do understand that the whales they are taking are not endangered?

No more endangered than the cows they take to slaughterhouses and hang from a hook.

Is your grocery store a market for the scum of the Earth?

339 posted on 01/08/2010 2:53:50 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Dengar01
AND PLEASE SHOW ME PROOF THEY ARE NOT ENDANGERED!

OK. First, you don't even know what species of whale these are, nor what the established hunting limits are for them, nor who is , and who is not following the treaty for the allowed hunting of them. Nor do you know their population size, and whether they are at the top or bottom of their population limit.

Prove me wrong.

340 posted on 01/08/2010 2:59:07 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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