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Teen who hit 66-year-old pizza man with baseball bat won't stand trial as an adult (Ft Worth TX )
STAR-TELEGRAM ^ | DEANNA BOYD

Posted on 01/09/2010 9:04:49 AM PST by Dubya

FORT WORTH — Fred Rein used the tips he earned delivering pizzas to help people, whether paying for a pizza for a financially strapped family or a young mother’s electricity bill.

But on Oct. 3, authorities say the 66-year-old Fort Worth man encountered a 16-year-old boy intent on stealing money from Rein.

On a friend’s phone, the teen later told police, he called Domino’s Pizza, gave the false name Joseph and placed an order for four pizzas, cheesy sticks and two bottles of soda. He provided an address on Bessie Street, a house where he used to live and now knew to be vacant. Then he and three friends walked to a park across the street from the house and watched and waited.

When the deliveryman arrived, the teens approached and demanded the pizza. When Rein laughed, the teen later told investigators, he hit the man with an aluminum baseball bat.

Prosecutors Amy Mills and Tim Bednarz sought to have the teen certified as an adult, pointing to his lack of remorse for the attack, which left Rein with a permanent brain injury. He is still hospitalized in a rehabilitation facility.

"He may be 16 but this was a cold, calculated, premeditated attack on an innocent victim," Mills told state District Judge Jean Boyd.

Boyd, however, denied prosecutors’ request, siding with defense attorneys Chad Lee and Jonathan Simpson, who had argued that the teen had not yet been afforded the counseling services and treatment programs that are available in the juvenile system. They had also pointed out that a psychological exam raised concerns about the teen’s maturity and sophistication.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: crime; juvenile; pizza; teen
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VOTE state District Judge Jean Boyd OUT
1 posted on 01/09/2010 9:04:50 AM PST by Dubya
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To: Dubya

During Friday’s hearing, robbery Detective E. C. Pate testified that the teen laughed and giggled when a magistrate read the charge being levied against him and took offense when he was referred in legal documents as a “child.”

“He didn’t feel that he was a child,” Pate testified.


2 posted on 01/09/2010 9:06:56 AM PST by Dubya (JESUS SAVES)
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To: Dubya

By the time you’re 16 and planning premeditated violent robberies, you’re a guilty adult, and a future Democrat.


3 posted on 01/09/2010 9:07:56 AM PST by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: Dubya

Where do you breed assholes like defense attorneys Chad Lee and Jonathan Simpson? THEY should be tried...


4 posted on 01/09/2010 9:08:18 AM PST by jessduntno ("Speak endlessly and carry a small stick..." - B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Dubya

Had Mr. Rein been a member of my family there would be four well-ventilated teeangers.


5 posted on 01/09/2010 9:08:25 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Sender

Agreed


6 posted on 01/09/2010 9:09:14 AM PST by svcw (The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves. GW)
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To: ought-six
Had Mr. Rein been a member of my family there would be four well-ventilated teeangers.

Indeed, population decrease by 4.

7 posted on 01/09/2010 9:11:32 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Dubya

Satan can be seen throughout this story.


8 posted on 01/09/2010 9:12:12 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: jessduntno
Where do you breed assholes like defense attorneys Chad Lee and Jonathan Simpson? THEY should be tried...

I often agree but that is not our system of justice. Ours is an adversarial systems rather than one designed to find the truth no matter what. The advocates of our system say it is the best way to find the truth.

9 posted on 01/09/2010 9:13:55 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

I’d bet we’re all thinking the same thing:’another aspiring rap star trying to turn his life around.’
I get so tired of this crap I could hurl.


10 posted on 01/09/2010 9:14:58 AM PST by pistolpetestoys (Outside of a dog a book is a mans best friend;inside a dog it's too dark to read.)
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To: Dubya

Any pictures of the judge, the perp and the victim?


11 posted on 01/09/2010 9:15:07 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Dubya

Hey!!!!! I just realized something!! Mr Rein’s alive!! :)

This story could be worse.


12 posted on 01/09/2010 9:15:24 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Dubya

Gee, might there be a RACAL COMPONENT to the story??? Any of U locals know?


13 posted on 01/09/2010 9:15:39 AM PST by Dick Bachert (.THE 2010 PRECINCT MEETINGS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES. BE THERE!!)
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To: Dubya
There is a HUGE difference in a crime of convenience and a crime involving a pre-meditated plot.

This kid should be under detention until he is 18, at which time transfer this POS to a prison for a few years.

14 posted on 01/09/2010 9:16:49 AM PST by HighWheeler
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

They had also pointed out that a psychological exam raised concerns about the teen’s maturity and sophistication.

How much maturity and sophistication does it take to bash a 66 year old man in he face with a ball bat?


15 posted on 01/09/2010 9:17:17 AM PST by pistolpetestoys (Outside of a dog a book is a mans best friend;inside a dog it's too dark to read.)
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To: pistolpetestoys
Send this kid to "The Bear Jew":

"BATTER UP!"

16 posted on 01/09/2010 9:19:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

“I often agree but that is not our system of justice. “

I understand the “legal system” thanks...but it has no relationship to justice anymore. They already said they did it///put them away, because these savage little prcks will be beating someone elses head in next month, when they get released into “treatment>”

There is not enough money on the planet for me to try to get these bstrds back on the street. And anyone who would be diligent in making it happen should...I won’t say it.


17 posted on 01/09/2010 9:20:42 AM PST by jessduntno ("Speak endlessly and carry a small stick..." - B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Dubya

“The teen’s probation officer, Lupita Martinez, provided a glimpse into the teen’s home life and past criminal history during the hearing.

In 2007, the teen was sentenced to one year of probation for throwing bricks from a bridge onto oncoming traffic.

In September, he was accused of resisting arrest for scuffling with an officer at school but was not prosecuted in lieu of the robbery case.

Martinez said the teen’s mom works two jobs to support her family and his father is in prison. As a result, the boy is frequently left alone and often would not attend school, she said.

Since his detainment, the teen has been at times disrespectful and disruptive, once flooding his room and recently being caught with two screws in his room that he described as a “shank.”

Martinez said he has also reportedly discussed wanting to escape and said she has concerns that he is a danger to the community.

Throughout the hearing, the teen’s hands were handcuffed and attached to a belt around his waist.”


18 posted on 01/09/2010 9:22:36 AM PST by Feline_AIDS (Boop boop hoop yeah!)
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To: HighWheeler
There is a HUGE difference in a crime of convenience and a crime involving a pre-meditated plot.

Exactly. And THAT fact alone should be the determining factor as to whether to try this animal as a adult, or a child.

19 posted on 01/09/2010 9:23:46 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Dubya
the teen’s maturity and sophistication.

So it takes one being mature and sophisticated to commit this crime as an adult?? The ability to have a depraved mind now comes w/a birthdate.
20 posted on 01/09/2010 9:27:30 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Dubya

Well at least one of the four may get some jail time......

.........A warrant has been issued for a fourth suspect, 17-year-old Erwin Estrada, accusing him of aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon. Tarrant County court records show that Estrada is in the Tarrant County Jail serving a 90-day sentence he received last month for assaulting a family member.........


21 posted on 01/09/2010 9:27:46 AM PST by deport (52 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: Feline_AIDS

The punk should be locked away forever. He’ll be out on the streets murdering and raping and the courts will be oh, so surprised.


22 posted on 01/09/2010 9:30:23 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: Dubya

This woman has forfeited her job in my mind.

100% guarantee that this “juvenile” will end up on the adult roles eventually. I pray no one else is hurt.


23 posted on 01/09/2010 9:30:56 AM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: Dubya
defense attorney Chad Lee:
.. argued that the teen had not yet been afforded the counseling services and treatment programs ...also pointed out that a psychological exam raised concerns about the teen’s maturity and sophistication.
"He’s in some ways very much like a wild animal turned loose on the streets," Lee told the judge.

'counseling services and treatment programs'??
his: 'maturity and sophistication'?!?

Hey mr bonehead lawyer you said it, this scum is like a Wild Animal Turned Loose!

And what pray tell do you DO when you see a Wild Animal running loose on the streets??? Hmmmm?
What if its a Mountain Lion? Or a Pit Bull? Or just your average wild animal, like a squirrel with RABIES!

You Put It Down!(1) That's what you do Mr asshat lawyer.
And that's what should be done with THIS "wild animal".

And whether the victim is still breathing is irrelevant, he's Brain Damaged. So in effect his life IS OVER. For all intents and purposes he is d-e-a-d.

(1) I don't give a carp if this maggot is a minor, or 'immature', 'unsophisticated' - whatever the HELL that means, his daddy is in prison, or his momma is crack ho. KILL HIM NOW because he WILL kill someone! He's a sociopath. EXECUTE him, dammit.

24 posted on 01/09/2010 9:33:50 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Dubya

“Counsel” the little sh*t with a bicycle chain—studded with fishhooks.


25 posted on 01/09/2010 9:34:01 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Any pictures of the judge, the perp and the victim?
Yeah, I'm SURE these are the perps.

26 posted on 01/09/2010 9:36:07 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: ought-six
Had Mr. Rein been a member of my family there would be four well-ventilated teeangers.

Capt Rein is a member of the same family as many FReepers! He served in the Armed Forces of our country. Anyone who has served is a member of his family!

27 posted on 01/09/2010 9:40:30 AM PST by MadPenguin (An armed man is a citizen; an unarmed man is a subject!)
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To: Feline_AIDS
hands were handcuffed and attached to a belt around his waist.

Tsk, tsk. Is this anyway to treat a 'child'. He's not mature nor sophisticated enough to understand what is happening to him. Surely, this treatment will scar him for life./s
28 posted on 01/09/2010 9:45:33 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Condor51

“And whether the victim is still breathing is irrelevant, he’s Brain Damaged. So in effect his life IS OVER. For all intents and purposes he is d-e-a-d.”

No they did take away something from this man and they should pay. But he is alive. We don’t believe “quality of life” garbage on this forum.


29 posted on 01/09/2010 9:46:46 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Some people just need a hug. You know who you are!)
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To: Dubya
The teen’s probation officer, Lupita Martinez, provided a glimpse into the teen’s home life and past criminal history during the hearing.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!

Fred Rein, a former Air Force captain and pharmaceutical company salesman, suffered multiple skull fractures in the attack. Injuries have affected his short-term memory and his vision is now impaired.

Prayers


30 posted on 01/09/2010 9:48:28 AM PST by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Dubya
Time for a blow torch ,Steel pipe and pliers type of rehabilitation for the punks.
31 posted on 01/09/2010 9:54:53 AM PST by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
We don’t believe “quality of life” garbage on this forum.
okay newbie
32 posted on 01/09/2010 9:57:00 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A. Einstein])
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To: Dubya

The violent criminal who tried to kill a guy for change needs counseling and treatment???


33 posted on 01/09/2010 9:58:14 AM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: Condor51

That us a funny reply that people use when they have stepped in it and don’t have a good response. You said the man was for all intents and purposes dead. THAT is the quality of life argument.


34 posted on 01/09/2010 10:00:34 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Some people just need a hug. You know who you are!)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

That us = That is. Preview is my friend!


35 posted on 01/09/2010 10:01:59 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Some people just need a hug. You know who you are!)
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To: Condor51; Jim Robinson

I am sure you wouldn’t call Jim Robinson a newbie so here is a statement from him about it:

“As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life,”

Pinging Jim because I mentioned his name.


36 posted on 01/09/2010 10:09:02 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Some people just need a hug. You know who you are!)
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To: Dubya
Services are provided to juveniles under the authority of the Tarrant County Juvenile Board, which has designated the 323rd State District Court to serve as the Juvenile Court. The current presiding judge of the Juvenile Court is Judge Jean Boyd.
37 posted on 01/09/2010 10:13:50 AM PST by ol' hoghead (He is not here; for he is risen.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
We don’t believe “quality of life” garbage on this forum.

We? Rather presumptuous, don't you think?

A point you might well consider taking to heart in an effort to tone down that aura of self-righteousness you're exhibiting here -

Don't you ever presume to speak for me!







Just some FRiendly advice to someone who obviously doesn't spend much time here...

CA....

38 posted on 01/09/2010 10:21:25 AM PST by Chances Are (Whew! Seems I've found that silly grin again!)
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To: Chances Are

I wasn’t presuming to speak for you. I was talking about the essence of the forum.
I thought it was rather presumptuous of Condor to believe this man was for all intents and purposes dead because he was brain damaged. Tell that to someone else who is handicapped. I spend quite a bit of time of FR. It is a conservative website.
Conservatives believe that every innocent life has value. The reason my tone was condescending is because I was angered by Condor’s post. They didn’t take the man’s life but Condor supposes that they may as well have.


39 posted on 01/09/2010 10:27:59 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Some people just need a hug. You know who you are!)
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To: Condor51

Ping to 39. Sorry couldn’t remember your full screen name.


40 posted on 01/09/2010 10:29:15 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Some people just need a hug. You know who you are!)
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To: Dubya
From May 2008 Star-Telegram, not complete article. It looks like they got a lot of bad “kids” in Fort Worth. Judge Boyd handled murderer as an adult.
FORT WORTH — A 15-year-old Hurst boy accused of fatally shooting a Hurst man near Hurst Junior High in February was certified as an adult Wednesday afternoon to stand trial on a charge of capital murder.

State District Judge Jean Boyd issued the ruling against Russell Dow in an adult certification hearing at the Scott D. Moore Juvenile Justice Center.

Dow was certified after authorities noted that Dow had been referred to juvenile officials nine times and he had been on juvenile probation twice.

Dow had planned to use the slaying as the subject for a rap song, according to testimony Wednesday morning from Hurst Det. Daniel Bedillion.

Dow is one of seven teens accused in the killing of 20-year-old Reed Ballard. Dow is accused of being the shooter.

41 posted on 01/09/2010 10:35:55 AM PST by BilLies
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To: Condor51; Chances Are

Just for the two of you I will amend my earlier statement.

I don’t believe “quality of life” garbage. I am sad to see that other conservatives do.


42 posted on 01/09/2010 10:43:57 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Some people just need a hug. You know who you are!)
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To: Dubya

Oh,G-d,how can someone do this to an innocent person? My heart breaks for the poor man.Why is it that such horrible things happen to those who are trying to help others?


43 posted on 01/09/2010 10:57:48 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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To: jessduntno
Where do you breed assholes like defense attorneys Chad Lee and Jonathan Simpson? THEY should be tried...

__________________________________________

For doing what, their jobs (providing a rigorous defense)? You do understand the way our system works, don't you?

44 posted on 01/09/2010 11:01:56 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: pistolpetestoys

I’d like to take my pro goalie stick (one used in the NHL so it’s pretty sturdy),and smash this piece of S**t in the head w/it.So hard,in fact, that the words Sher-Wood would be noticeable on his face.


45 posted on 01/09/2010 11:02:50 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Blessed Be The Name Of The Lord,For His Name Alone Is Exaulted)
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To: pistolpetestoys
They had also pointed out that a psychological exam raised concerns about the teen’s maturity and sophistication.

How much maturity and sophistication does it take to bash a 66 year old man in he face with a ball bat?

I originally responded to a comment about the veracity of the defense lawyers and you bring up an excellent point along that line as well as my comment about our judicial system.

Your question answers itself and it also exposes the posing of the question for its emptiness and contradiction. It well illustrates the sometimes folly of our adversarial system and indicates how easily defense lawyers can play the system to escape justice

We know and have seen many examples of how prosecutors do the same.

46 posted on 01/09/2010 11:06:52 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: wtc911

“For doing what, their jobs (providing a rigorous defense)? You do understand the way our system works, don’t you?”

Yeah, thanks professor, I understand how the system works...I don’t understand how these two shitbums work. They disgust me.


47 posted on 01/09/2010 11:19:18 AM PST by jessduntno ("Speak endlessly and carry a small stick..." - B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Dubya

Were I the Judge I would sentence him to death,...and I am not kidding. I’m serious. And this would be the last pizza delivery man ever hit by some mutant POS!


48 posted on 01/09/2010 11:25:13 AM PST by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

Worse???????????????Sure it could! The dent in his skull could drip blood and fluid forever! Say what?


49 posted on 01/09/2010 11:27:03 AM PST by Doc Savage (SOBAMP!)
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To: jessduntno

If these lawyers (likely public defenders) disgust you then sorry, you don’t understand our system.


50 posted on 01/09/2010 11:30:04 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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